Jim J
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Jim J asked in Politics & GovernmentPolitics · 1 decade ago

Would you accept ex Nazi's in the Government? No? well why do we accept ex Communists in the Government.?

Charles Clarke, Peter Mandelson, Peter Hain, David Blunkett, John Reid,In Europe Barossa and Engele Merkel were all Communist party members, presumably Communism is as reprehensible as Fascism, Millions enslaved behind the Iron Curtain, maybe 90 million deaths, Gulags, a wholly evil despicable evil ideology, so why did they get away with it and why can they govern us when it would be so vile to accept Nazis in Governments? Aren't Communists just as bad as Nazis in that case if ex Nazis repented would it be acceptable for them to be in Government?

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  • John
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    1 decade ago
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    The communist ideal sounds nice, everybody sharing everything, and living in an egalitarian, classless utopia. This vision has haunted the imagination of humanity down through the ages, and was used to form a set of principles by Karl Marx; which became the basis of the communist political doctrine. However I have always been deeply apprehensive in regards to communism as a political doctrine, as in practise there has never been a communist country, which represents the utopia dreamed up by Marx, Lenin, and Trotsky etc. For a number of complex reasons, which would take too long to explain; a planned economic system does not work as well as a market economy.

    No communist country has ever attained western levels of prosperity. And in a social sense; it always turns out to be very oppressive, as the state has the mandate to oppress the will of the people, by banning certain books, deciding what to put on the telly, persecuting people who display what it might consider deviant behaviour etc. And it can tell people how many children they can have, ban their religion, and potentially oppress them in every conceivable way,by imposing what it believes to be right on society, (which is a matter of opinion) as it has supreme authority over its citizens.

    As a result of the system favouring the rise of ruthless power hungry people, And because the people, who have this power in a communist state, like all people are driven by a number of forces besides a selfless belief in the brotherhood of man. They always to some degree end up asserting their power in an oppressive and sometimes atrocious way. Like the characters O Brian in the novel 1984 or Nurse Ratchet in the story one flew over the cuckoos nest. For these reasons communism has often been source of oppression and human misery, throughout history which is attested by the source below:

    “In sum the communist probably have murdered something like 110,000,000, or near two-thirds of all those killed by all governments, quasi-governments, and guerrillas from 1900 to 1987. Of course, the world totals itself it shocking. It is several times the 38,000,000 battle-dead that have been killed in all this century's international and domestic wars. Yet the probable number of murders by the Soviet Union alone--one communist country-- well surpasses this cost of war. And those murders of communist China almost equal it."

    Communism is the ideology of either often well meaning, but idealistic fools which discount the nature of people, society and various social and economic forces, or power hungry autocrats. I find it quite disconcerting the degree to which this ideology has influenced the minds of many in the labour party, and their favourite think tanks which formulate government policy. Many representatives of the labour government are unrepentant Marxists, and occasionally use quotations from famous communist figures such as Lennon, Marx etc. Conversely In an economic sense new labour is arguably more right wing than the Tories, and is indeed a champion of global capitalism.

    A far cry from old Labour which believed that private enterprise should only compliment a largely state run economy. However in a social sense they are increasingly authoritarian, and are into social engineering in a big way. They have curbed many of our civil liberties, turned political correctness into a religion, and seem obsessed with moulding society and public opinion via the legislative system, and various institutions in line with their own party political doctrine. Rather than listening to the people who they are supposed to represent.

    I agree that communism is as reprehensible as Fascism. And it concerns me the extent to which this ideology has influenced the labour party, as it has led them to exceed their democratic mandate to a greater extent than any previous government. In the pursuit of imposing what they believe to be right on society-which is a matter of opinion .Rather than carrying out the will of the people who they supposed to represent, which is the role of a government in a democracy.

    PS Wolfie Lenin died in 1924

  • 4 years ago

    the stock market crash in 1929 left everybody pretty much unhappy with economy and therefore government. The government was divided, there were plenty of small parties who never could agree onto anything and they had no effective leaders. The national parliament didn't function, and economy was really bad. the Nazi party's message seemed to offer hope and they got about a third of the seats in the parliament. Hitler actually lost against Hindenburg in the election, but Hindenburg named Hitler as a chancellor. but you will be much better off researching the subject in much more depth. Use your history book and there are plenty of resources on the internet.

  • Wolfie
    Lv 7
    1 decade ago

    Race Bannon has got it right. The Russian Revolution was defeated by 1923 when Lenin died. Most of the Bolsheviks had been killed in WWI and then in the civil war with the White Russians who, incidentally, were supported by 14 national army's that included UK.

    Stalin was a tyrannical opportunist who seized control of a country in disarray and ruled viciously. He murdered what was left of the Bolsheviks, including Trotsky, and presided over a state capitalist regime and called it communism.

    While it's true that ordinary CP members were honestly committed the cause, it is still quite shameful that they went out of their way to defend the USSR. Particularly since they invaded Hungary in 1956 and Czechoslovakia in 1968. They forgot that 'one country that oppresses another cannot itself be free'. It wasn't until 1989, when the Berlin Wall came down, that the CPGB shifted toward a more Trotskyist analysis. They also agreed that the SWP had been right all along!

    Nazism, on the other hand, is the politics of hate and fear and bears no comparison to the ideas of communism and socialism!

    Source(s): Trotskyist
  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    Communism is a form of Socialism, a very broad ideology. Just because Stalin was a d*ck it doesn't make Socialists bad. The Nazis wanted Communists dead just as much as they wanted Jews dead. If the people Lenin wanted to take over after he died had been able to and Stalin never had I think many people would have a very different view of Communism.

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  • 1 decade ago

    How are communists 'just as bad as nazis'? The problem with your logic is the kind of communism loved by UK students is the idealistic variety, so people supporting it are in no way idolising countries which have used a communist model in immoral ways, they're just idolising the concept of a perfect communist society. Nazis, though, don't have any equivalent moral ideology so anyone who udes to have nazi ideals used to want immoral policy.

    • Tea5 years agoReport

      Not true at all. Morals are subjective, and your morals are communist - the hated enemies of the Nazis.

  • 1 decade ago

    Communism, or more accurately Marxism, is an intellectual political philosophy, whereas Nazism, or fascism, is an absence of philosophy or tolerance.

    Although, communism isn't entirely tolerant, it is, however, routed in a culture that has been been re-engineered, to fit the wants of the implementer, a revolt from traditional governance.

  • Brad
    Lv 5
    1 decade ago

    Here in the US, it is politically correct to denounce Senator McCarthy even though the people he accused of communism were guilty and even though the only thing that happened to the communists he outed in the federal government and Hollywood was that they lost their jobs. I definitely agree that allowing Communists and/or ex-Communists in government is even worse than allowing National Socialists or ex-National Socialists in government. If somebody believes in a murderous ideology, they have no business working in any job where they could potentially influence our society.

  • 1 decade ago

    Communism is not a "wholly evil despicable evil ideology". Fascism is. I see that you're a holocaust denier as well.


  • 1 decade ago

    Because communism in not inherently bad. It also means many different things. If they were the type that believed Marxism, then they believed that government would eventually wither away. That is what Marx believed.

  • 1 decade ago

    We did not accept them, they were voted in by people we elected to represent us. When is it the peoples ignorance fault for bad things happening? After all, this is a democracy - so you figure it out. It is the voting system and the idiots that vote and have no clue what they are voting for fault.

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