LDS, Mormons, Are Some things that are true are not very useful?
Why hide the truths??
Why are they facts, good or bad..."not very useful"
Talk from Boyd K Packer at BYU...
"Church history can be so interesting and so inspiring as to be a powerful tool indeed for building faith. If not properly written or properly taught, it may be a faith destroyer…
"There is a temptation for the writer or the teacher of Church history to want to tell everything, whether it is worthy or faith promoting or not. Some things that are true are not very useful…
"The writer or teacher who has an exaggerated loyalty to the theory that everything must be told is laying a foundation for his own judgment...The Lord made it clear that some things are to be taught selectively and some things are to be given only to those who are worthy…
"That historian or scholar who delights in pointing out the weaknesses and frailties of present or past leaders destroys faith. A destroyer of faith - particularly one within the Church, and more particularly one who is employed specifically to build faith - places himself in great spiritual jeopardy. He is serving the wrong master, and unless he repents, he will not be among the faithful in the eternities…Do not spread disease germs!" (Boyd K. Packer, 1981, BYU Studies, Vol. 21, No. 3, pp. 259-271)
Why suppress truth??
Heres the link...http://byustudies.byu.edu/shop/pdfSRC/21.3Packer.p...
He goes over 4 "cautions" when studing mormon history and information.
Pinkadot, *Adults* deserve to know the full truth about a religion that they are going to join. A religion that expects full commitment.
Period. Stop with the baby food analogies. It does not apply to hiding or changing facts about a belief.
Pinkadot, there you go again, I *must* be sinning....Get a grip.
- MiamiLv 51 decade agoFavorite Answer
I think it would have been useful to know before I had spent so many years, so much misplaced love and trust just to be left standing alone when I really needed what the church promised. Thank you for the quote, that makes sense now why things are suppressed, it is suppressed from the top down and that makes me want to cry...
- 4 years ago
A few general authorities have said that including Brother Oaks on the PBS series on LDS a few years ago. There were a few things written in the 1970s and early 80s where historians liberal and even some conservative wrote journals, books and papers on various things in Mormon History that are true but the general authorities don't like people knowing like The word of Wisdom wasn't enforced as something a temple endowment person need to do until later or tithing wasn't institued until Lorenzo Snow and the windows of Heaven sermon. The Church historical papers were moved from Salt Lake to Provo around the early 80s and kept under more wraps there. Personally it doesn't bother me at all.
- Anonymous1 decade ago
I agree with Ross. Why supress the truth? What truth? The "truth" you find on anti-Mormon websites? The "truth" that is mixed with misconceptions and lies? IS it still truth then?
The ONLY truth you will EVER find will come ONLY from God. Any other source - how can you trust it?
Is that last paragraph not actually describing people such as yourself? People who dig and dig and try their hardest to find some "controversial" subject they can smear the gospel with??
Why do you think there are standards set to attend the temple? Should we just open the doors for every spiritually immature person out there so they can degrade the sacred nature of temple ordinances? Apparently it worked for you!
Should we start teaching our children algebra before they know how to add or subtract? Should we teach a 5 year old about the marriage covenant? What about someone who is spiritually immature? Should they know every single little thing about the gospel before they even have the chance to learn and grow in it? Are we not counseled from the bible to learn line upon line, precept upon precept?
We get it Oceanwoman. You had a bad experience. But, to blame the church is a cop-out. You are free to make your own decisions. At some point you must have felt the spirit, believed it, were baptized, got your recommed and went to the temple - otherwise you LIED. Not the church. YOU were the one. OR, you are telling more lies now and just don't want to be held accountable for the things you've done and are doing.Source(s): Eternally LDS
- qman31500Lv 51 decade ago
Healthy religions, people and organizations have nothing to hide and thrive on all the information they can get their hands on..about themselves, their history, and their beliefs. They own up to past beliefs they no longer hold as true. They invite scruitiny. They agree to reasonable accountability. They make sure new converts get the full story of their beliefs and practices before joining. Not Mormonism. Not by a long shot.
The Mormon or LDS church excommunicates scholars who publish research that is not faith promoting. Historian Michael Quinn is a prime example. He published a historical piece that showed that the LDS church practiced polygamy far beyond the 1890 manifesto. He wasn't sharing opinion but facts. He was excommunicated for doing so.
LDS leaders and apologists must villainize critics and those who leave. Remember it can't be the church, so it MUST be the critics or the former member. These are hallmarks of a cult.
Grant Palmer published a summary of historical insights on Mormonism in his book, An Insider's View of Mormonism. I recall one LDS critic attacking him for not sharing every fact on a particular subject, yet I know of no LDS leader, historian, or apologist who does. Rather they say they have a sacred duty to inspire faith and leave alone the things we don't fully understand. Hello? Do we have "stupid" written on our foreheads?
Regaining credibility is possible. LDS Apostle Marvin Ashton gave a speech on honesty. He said that we should never tell a half truth to meet our own needs but be completely honest. He said that when we fail to tell the whole truth, that we should confess our lack of judgement full to begin the process of building trust again. I look forward to an LDS church that takes its own advise.
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- slcbtfLv 61 decade ago
He was teach a principal. A principal taught by the ancient prophets long ago to a apostate covenant people.
Isa. 55: 7-9
7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the Lord, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will bundantly pardon.
8 ¶ For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord.
9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
This same principal is what was the downfall of the Jewish nation at the time of Christ. Review your history a bit and you will see the coorelation and vital aspects of these teachings.
If this doesn't suffice, consider the manner in which the Savior taught in parables.
10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
Here the theme is continued in the New Testamant as well.
1 Cor. 3: 2
2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
Heb. 5: 12
12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
- Anonymous1 decade ago
Boyd K. Packer answers the Rhetorical question Joseph Smith posed:
"Why persecute me for telling the truth?" Joseph Smith-History 1:25
Packer's comments were made in defense of the September Six disciplinary proceedings and those that followed.
People like Michael Quinn who published unvarnished truth were made to pay for it.
(Ironically, he is heavily quoted and cited in the FAIR article linked to below)
Former Asst. General Counsel to the CIA Michael Barrett was also excommunicated. He explains how it occurred in an article found here:
The truth about post-manifesto polygamy and the church....especially the fascinating way in which the church dealt with it, makes for illuminating reading.
It was during this period that telling the truth not only could be sacrificed if it meant potential harm to the church, you could also lose your membership as well, as a couple general authorities were to find out.Source(s): 5th generation Mormon....
- Kelly TLv 51 decade ago
It's less suppression of the truth, and more "if you really want to know, and need to know these things - they're available to you." It's the same as in school, there are some things which it's good to know, but which you will never use, or which will confuse the facts, as it were.
I believe that a person who dwells on the negative, the horrific, or the base things that have happened is looking for a way out, and puts their intellect and morality in a risky place. Like, viewing the glass half empty when it's really half-full.
Our faith in the gospel should not be based on the frailties of one man, or woman, or event, or principle - we have enough of the good yet to learn, and should not waste time learning about the bad - it will still be there.
- 1 decade ago
What it is referring to is that when you try to tell somebody about certain things, most likely including the Gospel of Jesus Christ, you can't just shove everything down their throats at the same time. You have to slowly feed them information over a period of time, so that they can more fully understand what is being taught to them. So technically, it isn't suppressing the truth, it is simply holding it over a longer period of time. It is also saying that he who does nothing but point out the negative points in anything is only going to destroy his own faith in the matter. Yes, there is negativity in the world around us, but instead, focus on the positive, faith-building aspects.Source(s): I am a Mormon!
- Anonymous1 decade ago
Here you go about how we shouldn't be hiding things; then you make your point with quotes that include a sentence and then ". . . ."
I've read the talk, the entire talk, what he says makes sense.
Your point of view only makes sense from the standpoint that those leaders are bad men rather than good men; in your prejudgment it now sounds like a cover-up, but here is the irony.
YOU USED FRAGMENTED QUOTES TO CRITICIZE BOYD PACKER FOR BEING SELECTIVE IN THE CONTENT WE TEACH.
Give me a freakin break!Source(s): because I'm a fan of hypocrisy and therefore enjoyed this rant, I give you one star.
- CLRKLv 41 decade ago
Sounds to me that what Boyd K Packer is getting at is that we shouldn't be focusing on the negative. For example, nobody wants to think of Moses as a prideful man who sinned against God when boasting about his power. True, that did happen, but what about the great miracles he did? What about the great power with which he humbly lead Israel for so long? Are we really going to let one instance of pride and boastfulness get in the way of seeing Moses as a man and prophet of God? This is why it's important to sustain our leaders. Otherwise we're just going to tare them down and keep them from doing more good that they would otherwise be able to do with our sustain and support. If the world were a lot more selfless, then a lot more good would be accomplished.
- cadisneygirlLv 71 decade ago
No one is suppressing anything.
Some things are hard to accept in any religion. History can be written to make anything look bad. If you dont have a testimony about the church then its pretty easy for someone to twist the history and the doctrines of the church to make it look bad.
Some people dont have a basic understanding of certain principles and so more in depth principles would confuse them or they wouldnt quite understand the purpose of them.
Would you teach a person calculus without teaching them basic algebra first?
Noone is taught not to study up and learn about church history or doctrine but its also not encouraged to study in depth doctrines if you dont even have a handle on the basics. Its up to the individual to determine where they are at and how far and in depth they want to study.
People act like the church hides things. That is ridiculous. I grew up in the church and I know all the socalled "hidden" facts of the churchs past and its doctrines. I guess they didnt do a very good job hiding these things.
Its up to the individual to learn. Its not up to the church to force people to do their research.
So many exmormons never really took the time or effort to really study up on church history or in depth doctrines. They may have gone to church all the time but that doesnt mean they really cared to know any more than they were barely willing to pay attention to and then they blame the church for hiding things from them. Ridiculous. People need to take responsibility for their own choices. If you chose to stay in a church for 30 years without ever really studying it in depth then that isnt the churchs fault. There are plenty of opportunities for more in depth church classes and discussions as well as a wealth of knowledge now online and in books for anyone to read up and study. If a person chooses to stay in the dark then its not the churchs fault and blaming the church and accusing them of hiding things because they are too lazy to do the work is just an excuse.
and you might as well be standing on your pedastal declaring to the world why you are right and everyone else is wrong and whatever you say must be true
That is how arrogant your comments are! You dont know me. You have no clue what my religious path has been or what I know or was taught.