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Anonymous asked in Society & CultureHolidaysRamadan · 1 decade ago

Question for Muslims?

Could somebody fully explain to me the punishment for apostasy?

Volume 9, Book 83, Number 17:

Narrated 'Abdullah:

Allah's Apostle said, "The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims."

2:256 There is no compulsion in religion, for the right way is clearly from the wrong way. Whoever therefore rejects the forces of evil and believes in God, he has taken hold of a support most unfailing, which shall never give way, for God is All Hearing and Knowing.

The Hadith says apostasy should be punished with death while the Quran states "there is no compulsion in religion" thus meaning that apostates are allowed to leave the fold of Islam?

Can somebody explain why Muhammad goes against Allah's words in the above Hadith?

Update:

keep askin- But Muhammad refused, if he accepted the Bedouin's decision then what would he have done?

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  • 1 decade ago
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    A bedouin gave the Pledge of allegiance to Allah's Apostle for Islam. Then the bedouin got fever at Medina, came to Allah's Apostle and said, "O Allah's Apostle! Cancel my Pledge," But Allah's Apostle refused. Then he came to him (again) and said, "O Allah's Apostle! Cancel my Pledge." But the Prophet refused Then he came to him (again) and said, "O Allah's Apostle! Cancel my Pledge." But the Prophet refused. The bedouin finally went out (of Medina) whereupon Allah's Apostle said, "Medina is like a pair of bellows (furnace): It expels its impurities and brightens and clears its good. [Sahih al-Bukhari, Vol. 9, #318]

    This was an open case of apostasy. But the Prophet neither punished the Bedouin nor asked anyone to do it. He allowed him to leave Madina. Nobody harmed him.

    Many scholars are of the opinion that apostasy only warrants capital punishment when it is accompanied by a declaration of war against Islam

    @asker - See here, maybe this clears it up more

    http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=-SL2Y1HxvrI

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  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    we dont need any scholar's approval,all we need is Glorious Quran,there is NO punishment for apostates,there is NO compulsion in religion,hadith are misguiding.Islam is in Glorious Quran and not in hadith books, Uphold Quran,Quran is the BEST HADITH.39:23.

    those are NOT Muhammed's words,any thing written in bukhary's or another,is NOT Prophet's name, these books contradicts Glorious Quran,these books insult Allah Allmighty and Prophet Muhammed.

    Quran Supersedes previous books, and all the laws in previous books are not applicable in Islam, the law for adultery regardless of marital status is 100 lashes.

    Though the Quran denounces imposition of religion, and promotes freedom of religion and expression of thought, the followers of hadith and sunna created sharia laws primarily for the justification of oppressive and dictatorial regimes of the Umayyad and Abbasid caliphs. The Quran rejects the imposition of a religion over another and promotes the Islamic system that can be summarized, in modern terms, as federal secularism (5:43-48). Thus, the city-state of Yathrib led by Muhammad, who did not accept any other authority besides the Quran (6:114), established a successful example of a federal secular system by dividing the territory into independent legal jurisdictions to accommodate the diverse religious, social, and political preferences of its communities. The relations between those who accepted the Quran as their jurisdiction and those who followed other laws were determined according to a constitution drafted and signed by all parties. Some critics take verse 9:3 out of its context and present it as a contradiction with the principle expressed in 2:256 and other verses. Chapter 9 starts with an ultimatum against Meccan mushriks who not only tortured, killed, and evicted muslims from their homes but also mobilized several major war campaigns against them while the muslims established a peaceful multi-national and multi- religious community. The beginning of the Chapter refers to their violation of the peace treaty and gives them an ultimatum of four months to stop aggression. Thus, the verses quoted from Chapter 9 have nothing to do with freedom of religion; it is a warning against aggressive, murderous religious fanatics. As for 9:29, the word jizya in that verse has been mistranslated as a taxation of non-muslims, while the word means "compensation" or more accurately, "war reparation," which was levied against the aggressing party who initiated the war. See 9:29; 6:68. Also see 2:193; 4:140; 10:99; 18:29; 74:55; 80:12; 88:21, 22.

    [10:99] Had your Lord willed, all the people on earth would have believed. Do you want to force the people to become believers?

    [10:100] No soul can believe except in accordance with GOD's will. For He places a curse upon those who refuse to understand.

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  • 1 decade ago

    Many hadith were fudged by those who wanted to use them to oppress. Since so many hadith were written centuries after the prophet, peace be upon him, died, we can only make lucky guesses at which are truly authentic and which were to promote the agendas of those who used religion to suppress and control.

    In reality, there are a lot of things in all religions that conflict. It's sort of like a chance to make good choices. IE- We can choose to eat an apple or a chocolate cake. We can get some exercise or be a couch potato. We can choose to be kind to others or pick fights with others. We can do things to help those less fortunate or we can ignore that Allah has blessed us and expects us to bless others with the things Allah gives to us.

    So? What do you think?

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  • 1 decade ago

    because no compulsion in religion refers to forbidding non-Muslims to become Muslim

    It doesnt refer to never forcing Muslims to do something - otherwise no Muslim woud be punished by the state for breaking laws. Abu Bakr fought the tribes who witheld zakat, a religious act

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  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    @Muhamed K

    I really would like to believe you on the "don't need scholars approval" thing, but the point is all your answers is copy&paste from Rashid Khalifa's scholars and the lair own opinions.

    so what to believe, your words or your words and your beliefs?

    now for the Q.

    The greatest kind of danger that faces Muslims is that which threatens their moral aspect of existence, i.e., their belief. That is why apostasy from Islam is regarded as one of the most dangerous threats to the Muslim community. The ugliest intrigue the enemies of Islam have plotted against Islam has been to try to lure its followers away from it; they have even used force for this purpose. In this regard, Almighty Allah says, [And they will not cease from fighting against you till they have made you renegades from your religion, if they can.] (Al-Baqarah 2:217)

    The duty of the Muslim community — in order to preserve its identity — is to combat apostasy in all its forms and wherefrom it comes, giving it no chance to pervade in the Muslim world.

    That was what Abu Bakr and the Prophet's Companions (may Allah be pleased with them) did when they fought against the apostates who followed Musailemah the Liar, Sijah, and Al-Aswad Al-`Ansi, who falsely claimed to be Allah's prophets after the demise of Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him). Those apostates had been about to nip the Islamic call in the bud.

    It is extremely dangerous to see apostasy prevailing in the Muslim community without facing it. A contemporary scholar described the apostasy prevailing in this age saying, "What an apostasy; yet no Abu Bakr is there to (deal with) it."1

    Muslims are to seriously resist individual apostasy before it seriously intensifies and develops into a collective one.

    That is why the Muslim jurists are unanimous that apostates must be punished, yet they differ as to determining the kind of punishment to be inflicted upon them. The majority of them, including the four main schools of jurisprudence (Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi`i, and Hanbali) as well as the other four schools of jurisprudence (the four Shiite schools of Az-Zaidiyyah, Al-Ithna-`ashriyyah, Al-Ja`fariyyah, and Az-Zaheriyyah) agree that apostates must be executed.

    In this regard, many hadiths were reported in different wordings on the authority of a number of Companions, such as Ibn `Abbas, Abu Musa, Mu`adh, `Ali, `Uthman, Ibn Mas`ud, `A'ishah, Anas, Abu Hurairah, and Mu`awiyah ibn Haidah.

    Ibn Taymiyah mentioned that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) accepted the repentance of a group of apostates, and he ordered that another group of apostates, who had committed other harmful acts to Islam and the Muslims, be killed.

    For instance, on the day of the conquest (fath) of Makkah, the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) ordered that Maqis ibn Subabah be killed, as he had not only apostatized from Islam but also insulted and killed a Muslim person. He (peace and blessings be upon him) also ordered that Ibn Abi Sarh be killed, as he had apostatized from Islam and also sought to spread falsehood and slander.

    In this respect, Ibn Taymiyah differentiated between two kinds of apostasy, an apostasy which does not cause harm to the Muslim society and an apostasy in which apostates wage war against Allah and His Messenger and spread mischief in the land. The repentance of the apostates in the first kind is accepted; while in the second kind, it is not if it occurs after the apostates have fallen into the power of the Muslim authority.6

    you can read it all and full here

    http://www.islamonline.net/English/contemporary/20...

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  • Y!A
    Lv 6
    1 decade ago

    well, i think Atheism is not a religion rather an ideology, so the Atheism has nothing to do with this verse! lol

    actually this verse was revealed concerning the Ansaar of Medina who tried to compel their sons to enter into Islam, i dont know but honestly, does anyone in your life or community forces Islam on you?

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  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    u read this but u don't understand this meanig it is my thinking Allah says in Quran that any body can follow their own way but where Allah says that a muslim can not be punishedafter become murtid before Islam a person is like animal if a animal hit a person we can not punish that according mankind laws but if a human hit a human or dont follow human law we punish him as like if a muslim breach the law of Allah and become murtid it is the real punishment and i tell u in Quran surah nazm ayat 3 Allah says prophet(saw) don't say any word with his own wish he only says which are reaveled by me it means prophet(saw)'s word are the wahi of Allah and its Allah wish to punish murtid not Muhammad(saw) u read with knowledge any chapter of Quran or any true hadith i tell u a event a man pray salah with walking

    when a cleric asked he replied i read in misqat it is a hadith book cleric said please give me Misqat when he see that hadith he saw that prophet(saw) perform easy salah(means halki namaz) that person understand that prophet(saw) was perform salah with hilke so Adnan read any thing with undestanding

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  • 1 decade ago

    You are yourself deriving the meanings of

    "there is no compulsion in religion"

    that apostates are allowed to leave the fold of Islam.

    On what authority or on what basis do you say such a thing.

    No any scholar of Islam ever said that Prophet was wrong. Do you think you know better than Prophet SAW? What are you- an atheist or a scientist. Both of these kind of people often criticize islam with no knowledge of Islam, Hadith or Quran at all.

    there is no compulsion in religion means as the words clearly says that no one can force any one to become Muslim. But once he becomes Muslim on his own free will after that if he abondons Islam and goes back to Kufr, he does become apostate and Allah punished Jews before in the presence of Prophet Moses with them.

    Allah had 60,000 Jews executed on their apostasy. When Moses went to spend 40 days with Allah on Mount Sini, Jews made a calf god and started worshpping it abundoning the worship of Allah. That was clear apostasy. 600,000 Jews left Egypt with Moses and 60,000 of them became apostates in the desert of Sini. This infuriated Allah that they fogot the favour of Allah that He had them freed from the slavey of Pharoh and within days they abondoned Islam during the presence of Prophet Moses with them. Allah commanded Moses to command all chiefs of all 12 tribes to kill their own tribe's men and women who abondoned Islam and became apostates in 40 days absence of Moses. Allah also said, if chiefs of tribes would disobey the command of Allah, all Jews will be destroyed in this desert and none will see the promised land. Chiefs of 12 tribes of jews did execute 60,000 apostates on the command of Allah.

    Do the research in Quran and Torah. You will find these facts.

    Allah did not give this law to Prophet Mohammad inQuran. When he faced the situation of apostasy, he enforced the law of the Shariah of Moses because in dealing with Shariah, laws of Shariah of one Prophet continue to be enforced by next Prophet also unless Allah reveals new or ammended law to the later Prophet. But Allah did not ammend or abrogate these two laws and neither revealed any comment or statement on when Prophet Mohammad enforced Shariah of Moosa in two occasions. The second law is death penalty to a married person for comitting illegal intercourse. Prophet did enforced the Law of Moosvi Shariah when a married woman of Madina came to Prophet, confessed her adultery and insisted for punishment, so her soul is purified and she doesn't get punishment in hell fire.

    In few instances when Prophet made even a Judgmental error, Allah corrected and also one time scolded Prophet Mohammad SAW. In both these instances, Allah didn't send any message or correct. Which was an approval of Allah on the enforcement of the Shariah of Moses.

    May Allah bless us with true knowledge of Islam and not let us become appologetic to please the kafiroon.

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  • 1 decade ago

    Simple..! Bukhari isn't muslim...! Ghazali, Muslim and the other Mullah are the criminals of Islam.

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