Can someone of Christian faith explain this phrase to me?
for the record, I'm a religious tolerant Atheist.
This is about the phrase:
"God is the creative force of existence, god is present in everything. All is god and god is all." -- Q&A user named Meera Patel
So, God is present in everything. But doesn't the first clause say he is what created existence in the first place? Logically thats saying he created himself.
Also with the second phrase, God is all, all is God, Wouldn't that eliminate the idea of God in the first place? How can there be someone/something unique and apart from us, if He/it is in EVERYTHING?
If that was the case, then shouldn't it should be said that our God is
whatever Doesn't have God in it?
What do you think about this?
P.S. don't comment unless you have a opinion about this, in other words don't just bash religon, because thats not the question.
Everyone who said something along the lines of "wrong religon" or "thats not Christian", your right, I just spent some time surfing "Biblegateway", and thats not in the bible.
To everyone who said that its confusing, or its Gibbish... no its not. And I take my time to understand everything YOU say, so please do me the favor of trying to understand. All i'm doing is analizing a quote.
- Thomas ELv 61 decade agoFavorite Answer
If I've learned nothing else over the past dozen or so years that I really started reading the Bible in earnest, it's that logic and religion are 100% incompatible. And in your very question, you say that logically that statement says that God created Himself. And that is EXACTLY what it logically says - if you take that statement at face value, and consider nothing else.
I'm not sure that that statement is particularly Christian, because quite frankly I've never heard that taught in any church. I think that you've pretty much answered your own question by the person to whom you attribute that quote.
As a general rule: Y/A users do not speak for the "official" Church - or anything else. All you're ever going to get on Y/A are a bunch of individual interpretations - at least in the R&S section, which, quite frankly, is why I answer mostly R&S questions. Occasionally, someone may get on here claiming to be someone of authority, and he may indeed be a pastor by trade, but inevitably he will be someone low down on the ladder who also merely gives you his own personal interpretation.
Bottom line: If you ever have a "logical" problem with something, don't ask about it in the R&S section, because you will never get a logical answer from a religious person.
As for the phrase itself: It's about as logical as the Big Bang theory - the creation of something from nothing. LOGICALLY, there are only two choices: Either God existed from the beginning, or he was created. If he existed from the beginning, then it was he who created everything else - either directly or indirectly (one of his creations creating other things, etc.).
If however God were himself created, obviously something else must have created him. But it is impossible that he created himself, so something must have existed prior to God's creation.
This naturally would go on and on, but still: SOMETHING must have existed from the very beginning - unless, of course, you DO believe in the logical impossibility of something coming from nothing.
Therefore, what it comes down to that it's either something from something, or something from nothing. I personally find it impossible to believe in the latter, which is why I LOGICALLY believe in God. And, since then it was God who (again: either directly or indirectly) created everything, then I can see a logical consistency to saying that God is in all.
Just like somewhere in you are your great-great-great-great ... grandparents - all the way back to the first humans, who themselves sprung from God's creation somehow.
Now, if you believe in something from nothing, well ...
- Anonymous1 decade ago
Put in that way, the phrase is not scripturally sound. All is not God -- just as a greeting card I made is not me. To say God is present in everything might come close to what we call omnipresence. But neither is God all. God is not me. God is not the mountains. God is not the office building where I work. To illustrate, if God is me, then God is limited by my limitations. If God is the mountain, God is limited by the mountain's limitations, rendering him limited, and hence, not God.
This phrase is simply new-ageisms, and a flawed, feel-good, unexamined theology based on human wishes where anything goes.
- MoondoggyLv 71 decade ago
You're confusing panentheism with pantheism.
Penentheism is the idea that the universe is an extension (or emanation) of God, but that God also transcends the universe. You're thinking of pantheism, or the idea that God is identical to the universe.
Panentheism is not a universal doctrine among Christians. It is most common among ancient Gnostics and Eastern Orthodox theologians.
- Anonymous1 decade ago
That sounds much more like Hinduism than Christianity. You should probably address your question to Hindus. Christianity teaches the absolute separation of the Creator and His creation.
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- allan bLv 51 decade ago
Give us the scripture reference.There are many phrases that look christian that are not. Plus even the Christian scriptures can be taken out of context if read out the place it is written.
- 1 decade ago
Is sound like chanting to me, but I do know that in the king James bible reads that God is the "Alpha and Omega". This means that he is the beginning and the ending.
- AntiApollyonLv 61 decade ago
This is a principle combining pantheism (God is all) and panentheism (God is in all). This concept is propagated by New-Ager Allen White, and is also held by "mystic Christianity."
The "God is all"/"God is in all" idea is not substantiated by Judeo/Christian scriptures.
- wendieLv 44 years ago
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- Uncle ThesisLv 71 decade ago
What do I think about that?
Its bafflegab. Puffery.
Words meaning nothing.
- Anonymous1 decade ago
i don't think its Christian we don't believe all is God.