Can you rank the following English all-rounders in increasing order of ability?
1) Matthew Fleming 2) Dougie Brown 3) Mark Alleyne 4) Dominic Cork 5) Ronnie Irani 6) Craig White 7) Adam Hollioake 8) Ben Hollioake 9) Anthony McGrath 10) Graeme Swann 11) Mark Ealham 12) Vince Wells 13) Rikki Clarke 14) Jeremy Snape 15) Robert Croft 16) Ashley Giles 17) Ravi Bopara 18) Dimitri Mascarenhas 19) Samit Patel 20) Michael Yardy
Also, why does England seem to produce so many of these bits-and-pieces all-rounders and only a rare few great all-rounders like Ian Botham or Freddie Flintoff. I understand all-round talent of that magnitude is rare, but how is it that so many English players seem to consider themselves all-rounders and not specialists. (Notice i have not included many names in that list who could be considered all-rounders, like Gareth Batty, Ian Blackwell and many others).
If you haven't heard of or seen enough of some of these players, rank only those in the top 10 in your opinion.
Vsssarma: I don't think Vince Wells was the best ODI allrounder of the lot. His ODI economy rate of 5.15 was too high and his batting stats fairly poor (average=20.14, Strike rate = 55.73). His poor bowling was entirely responsible for England losing many games, especially one in the England-Australia-SL tri-series in 1998-99, where SL chased down 320 (Graeme Hick scored a great hundered) thanks largely to Jayawardene's 120 and Wells bowling (the game was better known for Murali being called for chucking and the Sri Lankans walking off).
- ?Lv 61 decade agoFavorite Answer
England or for that matter any country can not produce Flintoff-like or Botham-like all rounders every day. They are rare.
The problem with all rounders is that their bowling or batting performances tend to be modest compared to real bowlers or batsmen. (Edit: It is not easy to measure the performances of all rounders because we tend to measure either their batting or bowling. This scale is a little tough to agree with but I can certainly prove what I am saying). They should be assessed separately as a complete player, not as a batsman or a bowler. There are not many people who can measure the allround performances which include bowling, batting and also fielding, in a relative manner (''in that series'', not based on career totals) and identify talent. Excellence should be developed and once developed, it has to be nurtured, measured, retained and helped in times of low performances. Who has that much inclination and patience ? Another point is that they should have atleast 2 allrounders in every team which will ensure team success. But the tendency is to ignore an all rounder in place of a marginally better batsman.
Now your question on relative performances. Many of these guys did not play test matches. Let us see the performances of these players (minimum qualification 2 tests, to allow as many players of your list as possible). I give below the no. of matches, runs scored, wickets taken and catches taken along with my assessment of allround performance on a scale of 0-100.
1) Dominic Cork: 37 matches, 864 runs, 131 wickets, 18 catches, Marks 54.16.
2) Rikki Clarke: 2 matches, 96 runs, 4 wickets, 1 catch, Marks 53.74.
3) Anthony McGrath: 4 matches, 201 runs, 4 wickets, 3 catches, Marks 49.41.
4) Ashley Giles: 54 matches, 1,421 runs, 143 wickets, 33 catches, Marks 45.47.
5) Craig White: 30 matches, 1,052 runs, 59 wickets, 14 catches, Marks 43.5.
6) Mark Ealham: 8 matches, 210 runs, 17 wickets, 4 catches, Marks 41.39.
7) RDB Croft: 21 matches, 421 runs, 49 wickets, 10 catches, Marks 41.35.
8) Ben Hollioake: 2 matches, 44 runs, 4 wickets, 2 catches, Marks 34.47.
9) Ronald Irani: 3 matches, 86 runs, 3 wickets, 2 catches, Marks 28.83.
10) Adam Hollioake: 4 matches, 65 runs, 2 wickets, 4 catches, Marks 18.38.
11) RS Bopara: 3 matches, 42 runs, 1 wicket, 1 catches, Marks 12.99.
The other players whom you mentioned did not play any test matches.
Now you want to know who got 100 marks in this sclae. The player is Arthur J L Hill of England who played 3 tests, scored 251 runs, took 4 wickets and 1 catch.
ODIs: Here I took minimum matches as 6 to accommodate all players.
The allround performances are:
1) Vincent Wells: 9 matches, 141 runs, 8 wickets, 7 catches, Marks 78.1. (How sad that England missed this player ! Probably he was another Flintoff)
2) Matthew Fleming: 11 matches, 139 runs, 17 wickets, 1 catch, Marks 66.85.
3) Mark Alleyne: 10 matches, 151 runs, 10 wickets, 3 catches, Marks 64.65.
4) GP Swann: 12 matches, 136 runs, 14 wickets, 7 catches, Marks 64.56.
5) Adam Hollioake: 35 matches, 606 runs, 32 wickets, 13 catches, Marks 61.76.
6) Jeremy Snape: 10 matches, 118 runs, 13 wickets, 5 catches, Marks 60.7.
7) Mark Ealham: 64 matches, 716 runs, 67 wickets, 9 catches, Marks 58.27.
8) Craig White: 51 matches, 568 runs, 65 wickets, 12 catches, Marks 56.42.
9) AD Mascarenhas: 11 matches, 150 runs, 6 wickets, 3 catches, Marks 55.06.
10) Dominic Cork: 32 matches, 180 runs, 41 wickets, 6 catches, Marks 51.03.
11) Ronald Irani: 31 matches, 360 runs, 24 wickets, 6 catches, Marks 48.48.
12) RDB Croft: 50 matches, 345 runs, 45 wickets, 11 catches, Marks 48.14.
13) DR Brown: 25 matches, 319 runs, 22 wickets, 4 catches, Marks 44.25.
14) Samit Patel: 6 matches, 31 runs, 8 wickets, 3 catches, Marks 44.09.
15) Ben Hollioake: 20 matches, 309 runs, 8 wickets, 6 catches, Marks 43.36.
16) MH Yardy: 6 matches, 49 runs, 4 wickets, 1 catch, Marks 43.14.
17) Ashley Giles: 62 matches, 385 runs, 55 wickets, 22 catches, Marks 39.12.
18) RS Bopara: 28 matches, 459 runs, 4 wickets, 10 catches, Marks 38.09.
19) Rikki Clarke: 20 matches, 144 runs, 11 wickets, 11 catches, Marks 32.62.
20) Anthony McGrath: 14 matches, 166 runs, 4 wickets, 4 catches, Marks 27.07.
Who got 100 marks ? It is Ryan N ten Doeschate of Netherlands (19 matches, 662 runs, 35 wickets, 7 catches).
Please note that the above is an allrounder scale. Some of the lowly rated players are probably good bowlers (like Cork) but assessed as allrounders and hence the low rating.
- JPLv 61 decade ago
Trading standards will be on to you for calling most of these all-rounders, 7 by count could accurately be classed as such. The lack of Tests/ODIs means I've used largely their domestic records to differentiate between them.
In increasing order of ability:
20) Michael Yardy
19) Jeremy Snape
18) Rikki Clarke
17) Ben Hollioake
16) Robert Croft
15) Graeme Swann
14) Ashley Giles
13) Dominic Cork
12) Matthew Fleming
11) Samit Patel
10) Adam Hollioake
9) Anthony McGrath
8) Ravi Bopara
7) Mark Alleyne
6) Dimitri Mascarenhas
5) Dougie Brown
4) Vince Wells
3) Mark Ealham
2) Ronnie Irani
1) Craig White
- arsalan_kashiLv 71 decade ago
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- Anonymous1 decade ago
hmm...great question but too big to answer with explanations
Yes I HAVE seen and heard of most of them so I'll give it a shot!
The one's I can't analize, are- Yardy, Vince Wells and Mark Alleyne
plus I'm not going to rate too much acc. to stats but how they impressed me.
Increasing order (last being the weakest)
Many of them are even known to me as good bowlers, never considered them all-rounders personally but they could just be handy batsmen in the lower order, like Giles, Mescarenhas, Patel.
Ben Hollioke being the other way (good batsman whom I remember touring India in 02 but tragical end cut short his career)
Most played some good amount of ODIs to come into sight but went out of it just as quickly.
England just experimented with all these cricketers who didn't proved to be anything extra-ordinary at the international level therefore they cound't contribute much for the team and their career. The players who showed SOME promise were taken out by injuries.
- 1 decade ago
vsssarma is right