Jehovah's Witnesses, New Light, Disfellowshipping, and Reinstatement? ?
Since the Watchtower Organization has received "new light" about the 1914 generation, and has completely changed their view on this to one originally held in the early 20th century, does this mean that all the former Jehovah's Witnesses who were disfellowshipped years ago for the same view the organization is now teaching will automatically be reinstated with full priveleges and accepted into the "Truth" again?
Were these Ex-Jw's in fact disfellowshipped for knowing the truth and did they in fact know things that the governing body did not?
Thanks in advance for your answers!
Please, no sarcastic, judgemental or hateful posting. Please no ad hominem attacks against me or anyone else who responds.
I am always seeking truth and integrity via the teachings of the Bible. It is not a bad thing to ask questions. In fact when one needs answers one must ask questions as the disciples did of Christ (Luke 21:7) and as the Bereans did in a noble fashion (Acts 17:11).
Conundrum wrote: Do a search before posting.
Hi Conundrum, thanks for the advice. But, as you may notice, the answers I am getting are different than those on other versions of this question. Sorry to upset your stomach.....
- achtung_heissLv 71 decade agoFavorite Answer
A person who merely disagrees with some teaching of the Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses has not committed any sin, much less committed a serious sin such as could result in disfellowshipping. The disagreer could even communicate his disagreements in private correspondence to the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses, including the reasons he disagrees with some teaching. Such respectful discourse is NOT a serious sin, and CANNOT result in disfellowshipping.
Even with regard to those who actually have committed serious sin, such as apostasy, the Bible teaches that only those who UNREPENTANTLY do so must be expelled from the congregation.
Thus, a person who became disfellowshipped regarding some "view" must have advocated his disagreements beyond those in a position to act on them, and must have been unrepentant about his disruption to the congregation's peace. Such a person must qualify for and request reinstatement AFTER having performed 'work befitting repentance'.. ..
Jehovah's Witnesses do practice the Scriptural practice of disfellowshipping for unrepentance of such serious sins as fornication, drug abuse, stealing, and apostasy. Baptized Witnesses who join the military or publicly engage in worship with another religion are considered to have disassociated themselves from Jehovah's Witnesses.
Contrary to the misinformation of anti-Witnesses, it is quite possible to become inactive in the JW religion without becoming disfellowshipped. As long as one's lifestyle does not bring reproach upon the congregation, and as long as one does not advocate one's disagreements with the religion, the congregation has no interest in "investigating", exposing, and disfellowshipping an inactive former Jehovah's Witness.
For those who are disfellowshipped or disassociated, a primary goal is to shock the person into recognizing the serious of their wrong so that they rejoin the congregation in pure worship. Since the primary bonds that are broken involve friendship and spiritual fellowship, it is well understood that family bonds remain intact. Parents, siblings, and grown children of disfellowshipped and disassociated ones sometimes choose to limit what they may feel is discouraging or "bad association" but that is a personal decision and is not required by their religion.
Former Witnesses who are disfellowshipped or disassociated are typically treated in accord with the Scriptural pattern explained in these Scriptures:
(1 Corinthians 5:11-13) Quit mixing in company with anyone called a brother that is a fornicator or a greedy person or an idolater or a reviler or a drunkard or an extortioner, not even eating with such a man. ...Remove the wicked man from among yourselves.
(Titus 3:10) As for a man that promotes a sect, reject him after a first and a second admonition
(Romans 16:17) Now I exhort you, brothers, to keep your eye on those who cause divisions and occasions for stumbling contrary to the teaching that you have learned, and avoid them.
(2 Thessalonians 3:6) Now we are giving you orders, brothers, in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, to withdraw from every brother walking disorderly and not according to the tradition you received from us.
(2 Thessalonians 3:14) But if anyone is not obedient to our word through this letter, keep this one marked, stop associating with him, that he may become ashamed.
(2 John 10) If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, never receive him into your homes or say a greeting to him.
(Matthew 18:17) If he does not listen to them, speak to the congregation. If he does not listen even to the congregation, let him be to you just as a man of the nations
Becoming baptized as a Jehovah's Witnesses is not a trivial step. At a minimum, a student must demonstrate months of regular meeting attendance and public ministry, then must himself express the desire to be baptized. The candidate then spends hours answering hundreds of bible questions wherein he expresses both a clear understanding and personal conviction regarding Jehovah's Witness teachings in at least three separate interviews with three different elders. The candidate must vocally agree to be baptized in front of hundreds or thousands of eyewitnesses, and must be publicly immersed in water. This is not a momentary emotional decision by an unreasoning child. Dedication as a Witness required hard work and determination at the time.
- 1 decade ago
Disfellowshipping takes place when a court of 3 elders has decided that the person who promulgates a certain view has done a few things:
- Holding on to a view counter to WTS teachings
- A risk of contamination need to exist
The elders manual is quite clear on this although from time to time the WTS may send a Letter to the Body of elders to alter a fraction of the procedure somewhat (al the whole procedure all together)
Apostasy is a standing away from, a falling away, defec-
tion, rebellion, abandonment; it involves teaching false
doctrines, supporting or promoting false religion and its
holidays or interfaith activities. (Deut. 13:13, 15; Josh.
22:22, ftn.; Acts 21:21, ftn.; 2 Cor. 6:14, 15, 17, 18;
2. John 7, 9, 10; Rev. 18:4)
Those with sincere doubts should be helped, dealt with
mercifully. (Jude 22, 23; w82 9/1 pp. 20-1;w80 8/1
Apostasy includes action taken against true worship of
Jehovah or his established order among his dedicated
people. (Jer. 17:13; 23:15; 28:15, 16; 2 Thess. 2:9, 10)
Persons who deliberately spread (stubbornly hold to and
speak about) teachings contrary to Bible truth as taught
by Jehovah's Witnesses are apostates.
Causing divisions and promoting sects.
This would be deliberate action disrupting the unity
of the congregation or undermining the confidence
of the brothers in Jehovah's arrangement.
It may involve or lead to apostasy. (Rom. 16:
17, 18; Titus 3:10, 11 )
Deliberate, malicious lying; bearing false witness. (Prov. 6: 16, 19; Col. 3:9; Rev. 22:15; it-2 pp. 244-5)
Reviling; slander. (Lev. 19:16; I Cor. 6:10; it-l pp. 989-91; it-2 pp. 801-2)
Failure to abstain from blood. (Gen. 9:4; Acts 15:20, 28, 29)
These issues are quite simple: Promoting an action/ teaching counter to what the WTS teaches is apostasy (see proposed reforms for blood-issue) and is punished by disfellowshipping. This promotion of a different take on things than the WTS has may lead to loss of unity within a congregation or even circuit.
Some actions may be considered of such gravity that only an announcement is made to the following effect: such and such is no longer one of Jehovah's Witnesses. On other cases it may be that the elders will try and "correct the wrongdoer" if that fails may disfellowship the person.
On a final note I would have to say that the above does not in any way safeguard the preservation of truth in general; only the preservation of "the truth as taught by the WTS" and that is a trade mark not to be trespassed on by the Rank & File Witness. There is one question asked: does the wrongdoer acknowledge the Faithful & discreet slave for dispensing spiritual food at the proper time? If yes, he must submit to the truth as presently taught by the WTS. If no, he is disfellowshipped for apostasy.
Some people have been disfellowshipped because they were chasing the WTS - UN/NGO 10 year relationship. These have been disfellowshipped for obvious reasons: causing divisions and slander because JW's can't see any bad from their own mother organisation.
So, people who have been disfellowshipped are considered unrepentant wrongdoers. Even though the WTS may have been wrong, the disfellowshipped persons have apostatised from "the truth as taught by the WTS" and they cannot be retained within the flock.
The attitude of the apostates is considered as haughty and proud because they will not submit to the (wrongful & false) teachings of the WTS.
Any JW denying this, I would advise them to start kicking up **** by challenging the 607 date and see where you end up. ......Source(s): Pay attention to yourselves and the whole flock - AKA The Elders Manual
- Anonymous1 decade ago
You are asking a theological question regarding a social/cultural issue.
Disfellowshipping occurs at the hands of men all over the world of varying education levels (but few of them college educated) and they interpret a person's wrongdoing based on their own understanding and frankly, the cultural influences around them (thus short skirts, facial hair and rated R movies being banned in many areas despite the fact that the Bible does not specify such things).
I doubt very much that disfellowshipping because of enlightened views of the scriptures has anything to do with the decision to eradicate the 'wrongdoer' from the flock. It has much more to do with obedience (or lack of it). If obedience is demanded, then it will be demanded despite the issue on the line-right or wrong, justified or not, if you go against the direction you are given you will be considered dangerous-right?
Does it really matter what the JW interpretation is? Does it matter whether they can quote scripture to defend their actions? No, because all these separate acts of disfellowshipping are based on someone's personal viewpoint. The society will never admit to being wrong-just 'receiving more light'. If something bad happens in the JW organization, it is Satan testing the faithful, if something good happens it is God's blessing. These folks simply don't apply everyday accountability and consequence to their life outcome.
- 1 decade ago
Some of the answers to your question are so sweet and so naive. By that I mean "showing a lack of experience, judgment, or information". Yes people everyday get dissfellowshiped wrongly. Some repent for things they know they are Innocent.
I guess more to your question How can someone know a bible truth long before the organization without having God's spirit? Worship God in spirit and truth...How is it even possible to run ahead of Jehovah's Chariot ? It's not. You might think that Jehovah's spirit revealed the truth to them to judge his own house. How do his sons treat his slaves, even ones with insight? Would such ones really be appointed over all his belonging? Great question Thanks
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- LyndaLeeLv 41 decade ago
Pay attention to yourselves and the whole flock - AKA The Elders Manual
the above is the name of a book specifically for the elders of the Jws
they have manuals actually for almost everything they believe too
because they are always quoting mans word from some publication they have had published because it is their belief that one can not understand the bible with out their publications, so when of course they need to remove someone from the congregation they need a manual to do that too.
However I ask you what did the eunichs teacher have other than the scrolls that were the INSPIRED WORD OF GOD?
AND WHO DID YESHUA SAY HE WOULD SEND AS A HELPER TO HIS DISCIPLES TO DO THE WORK HE COMMISSIONED TO DO?Source(s): If you said HOLY SPIRIT YOUR RIGHT.
- MaryLeeLv 61 decade ago
I can with full heart say this: No one is disfellowshipped unless it's for a very good reason. They are not just disfellowshipped for some silly nonsense. It's a serious matter. Most of the ones that have been work very hard to change and correct the mistakes they have made. And are reinstated. Jehovah God does not want anyone to die. He wants all to live. If not, He would not have created man in the first place. I don't know where you get your information from. But, I sure wish you'd visit this site. It explains a lot.Source(s): www.watchtower.org
- 1 decade ago
No, they won't be reinstated as the organization would declare those who had different views were "running ahead of Jehovah's chariot" thus not waiting for Jehovah's organization to make it official. Does it matter if they were right even before the Watchtower made the decision? Not at the least. Just like if the organization should ever decide that blood is not a disfellowshipping offense - those who died not accepting a blood transfusion will still be dead.
- conundrumLv 71 decade ago
This Question has been answered ad nauseam. Do a search before posting.
As for the statement " automatically be reinstated with full priveleges" you make it sound like the Watchtower Organization is a Govt Agency and people working there were " Wrongfully Fired"..
The rest of your Question as previously stated has been answered before.Source(s): Observation.
- 1 decade ago
Deu 18:21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken?
Deu 18:22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that [is] the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, [but] the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him. Kind regards
- Anonymous1 decade ago
Sounds like the jws are making things up as they go along to fit whatever is happening today