Jehovah's Witnesses why do you have such trouble calling Jesus God when Jehovah Himself calls Him God?
Hebrews 1:8 But to the Son He says:
" Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
9 You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions."
Psalm 45:6 and 7 where God calls Jesus, God. John calls Him God in the gospel; Paul calls Him God; Thomas called Him God, "my Lord and my God"; and now God calls Him God.
- Anonymous1 decade agoBest Answer
In [the] beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God,
and the Word was a god." The New World Translation
This is one of the most common verses of contention between the Jehovah's Witnesses and Christians. Their false assumption is that Jesus is not God in flesh, but Michael the archangel who became a man. Therefore, since they deny that Jesus is divine, they have altered the Bible in John 1:1 so that Jesus is not divine in nature. The New World Translation has added the word "a" to the verse so it says, "...and the Word was a god." The correct translation for this verse is "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God." This is how it is rendered in the NASB, NIV, KJV, NKJV, ASV, RSV, etc.
The New World translation is incorrect in its translation of this verse for several reasons. First of all, the Bible teaches a strict monotheism. To say that Jesus is "a god" is to suggest that there is another god besides YHWH, which is contrary to scripture (Isaiah 43:10; 44:6,8, etc.). Of course, the Jehovah's Witnesses will respond that Jesus is not the Almighty God, but a "lesser" kind of God. He is the "mighty God" as is referenced in Isaiah 9:6, "For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us, and the government will rest on His shoulders, and His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace." Therefore, they say that Jesus is the mighty god, but not the Almighty God.
The immediate problem with this explanation is that YHWH is also called the Mighty God in Jeremiah 32:18 and Isaiah 10:20. In all three verses, including Isaiah 9:6, the Hebrew word for "mighty" (gibbor) is used.
* Isaiah 10:20-21, "Now it will come about in that day that the remnant of Israel, and those of the house of Jacob who have escaped, will never again rely on the one who struck them, but will truly rely on the LORD, the Holy One of Israel. 21A remnant will return, the remnant of Jacob, to the mighty God."
* Jer. 32:18, "who showest lovingkindness to thousands, but repayest the iniquity of fathers into the bosom of their children after them, O great and mighty God. the LORD of hosts is His name."
We can see that the Jehovah's Witness explanation is not valid. Both the Son and God are called the Mighty God.
Furthermore, how many actual gods are there in scripture? The obvious answer is that there is only one God in existence. Though there are others who have been falsely called gods (1 Cor. 8:5-6) or even said to be "as God" like Moses (Ex. 4:16; 7:1), there is only one real God (Gal. 4:8-9; Isaiah 44:6,8). If Jesus is "a god" that was "with God" in the beginning, then is Jesus a true god or a false god?
But, the Jehovah's Witnesses often claim that Jesus is a god in the sense that Moses was called a god. But, Moses was not called a god. Rather, he would be "as God."
* "Moreover, he shall speak for you to the people; and it shall come about that he shall be as a mouth for you, and you shall be as God to him, (Exodus 4:16).
* "Then the Lord said to Moses, 'See, I make you as God to Pharaoh, and your brother Aaron shall be your prophet,'" (Exodus 7:1).
Why was Moses going to "as God" to Pharaoh? Because Moses was given the authority and power to display powerful miracles that decimated much of Egypt. Was Moses really a god? Being "as God" in regards to power given to perform miracles over Egypt is not the same thing as being called "a god" that was in the beginning with God, (John 1:1).
John was a strict Jew, a monotheist. Does the Jehovah's Witness really think that John would be saying that there was another God besides Jehovah, even if it were Jesus? Being raised a good Jew, the apostle John would never believe that there was more than one God in existence. Yet, he compared the word with God, said the word was God, and that the word became flesh (John 1:1,14).
John 1:1 in a literal translation reads thus: "In beginning was the word, and the word was with the God, and God was the word." Notice that it says "God was the word." This is the actual word for word translation. It is not saying that "a god was the word." That wouldn't make sense. Let me break it down into three statements.
1. "In beginning was the word..."
(en arche en ho logos)
* A very simple statement that the Word was in the beginning.
2. "and the word was with the God..."
(kai ho logos en pros ton theon)
* This same Word was with God.
3. "and God was the word." -- Properly translated as "and the Word was God."
(kai theos en ho logos)
* This same Word was God.Source(s): http://www.carm.org/jw/john1_1.htm
- TeeMLv 71 decade ago
NAB translate Ps 45:6 & 7 as:
"Your throne O god is forever... That is why God, your God ..."
the footnote in to this verse states that the "King" is god in that he was the representative of God and not 'God'.
In the Greek, the verb [is] is implied and could be inserted after throne denoting that God is the power behind Jesus.
In commenting about this verse Wescott and Hort stated that the subject is not God, but the throne.
Thus the correct translation is "“God is your throne forever and ever,"
In Greek you can write a sentence without a verb.
Thus you could say " The house red room"
In English this could be translated as:
"The red house has a room"
"The house has a red room"
Context determines which translation is correct.
Heb 1:9 shows that Jesus worships God and is God's anointed one.
Heb 1:3 tells us that Jesus is an image of God and not God.
Heb 1:6 tells us that Jesus is God's Firstborn, and not God.
Heb 1: 5 tells us that Jesus is better than the angels in that he inherits a name better than theirs.
Heb 1:1 tells us that God is communicating to us by means of himself?
NO by means of his Son, the Firstborn.
As to Thomas, the bible is full of expressions including both God and Jesus. Nothing in this account 'proves' Thomas is addressing Jesus as 'My God'. Thomas' comments could be referring to Jesus as my Lord, and Jehovah as his God.
Just as Paul says: "From God and our Lord Jesus ..."
Thomas heard Jesus in pray talking to the "only true God" and the one you sent forth, Jesus Christ.
Thus it would be natural for Thomas to reference both God and Jesus
1 Cor 8:6.
John clarified Jesus' godship in Rev 1:1, & 6
Vines Dictionary states "The literal translation [Jn 1:1], "a god was the Word" is misleading"
It is misleading because Vines teaches the trinity.
- Anonymous4 years ago
Because he is the father of truth, Jehovah God hates a lying tongue or a false witness that speaks lies. Proverbs 6:16-19 says: “There are six things which Jehovah hateth; yea, seven which are an abomination unto him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood; a heart that deviseth wicked purposes, feet that are swift in running to mischief, a false witness that uttereth lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.” Men may lie, but it is not because Jehovah God wants them to. God is not a liar. He expects men to tell the truth, too.
- 1 decade ago
The Truth – For God so loved the beautiful noble and faithful one that called Jesus God, his Christ God, the loyal one who takes upon his shoulders the responsibilities of The Father and seeks or wants for nought nor turns on God in times of trial and tribulation.
The devil witnessing this love scene and odes of love flowing between God and Jesus his beloved, who given the world wished for little but the grace and benefaction of God that is his love.
The devil considered himself worthier of such power and glory, plotted, schemed and engineered until both were destroyed and he and his accomplice took power.
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- keiichiLv 61 decade ago
Jehovah's Witnesses do not have trouble calling Jesus a God. John 1:1 and Is 9:6 both indicate Jesus is a God. He is simply not the almighty, but a image of God.
Hbr 1:3 "Who being the brightness of [his] glory, and the express image of his person"
Col 1:15 "Who is the image of the invisible God"
If one thing is the “image” of another thing, then the “image” and the “original” are not the same thing. The Father is God, and that is why there is no verse that calls the Father the image of God. Calling Jesus the image of God squares with his statement that, “Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father” (John 14:9 and 10).
- LineDancerLv 71 decade ago
This is not Jehovah speaking at Heb. 1:10. Paul here quotes Psalm 102:25-27, and applies it to Christ Jesus, whereas the psalm seems to be speaking of Jehovah."
Have a look at how Heb. 1:10 appears in some Bibles:
(English Standard Version) "And,"You, Lord, laid the foundation of the earth in the beginning, and the heavens are the work of your hands."
(21st Century King James Version) "And, "Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth, and the heavens are the works of Thine hands."
(Darby Translation) "And, *Thou* in the beginning, Lord, hast founded the earth, and works of thy hands are the heavens."
(American Standard) "And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning didst lay the foundation of the earth, And the heavens are the works of thy hands."
Jehovah does not have a God, but Jesus has. In the preceding verse, it says: "Therefore, O God, YOUR God has anointed you, pouring out the oil of joy on you more than on anyone else."
Have you forgotten that is was God himself who told the angels to worship Jesus? Heb. 1:6 says: "And when [God] brought his firstborn Son into the world, God said, “Let all of God’s angels worship him.” If Jesus were God, the angels would already be worshiping him. However, this was a new command for the angels to worship someone other than God.
"Psalm 45:6 and 7 where God calls Jesus, God. John calls Him God in the gospel; Paul calls Him God; Thomas called Him God, "my Lord and my God"; and now God calls Him God."
No one is calling Jesus God at Ps. 45:6. Psalm 45:6, was originally was addressed to a human king of Israel. Obviously, the Bible writer of this psalm did not think that this human king was Almighty God. Solomon, who was possibly the king originally addressed in Psalm 45, was said to sit “upon Jehovah’s throne.” (1 Chron. 29:23) In harmony with the fact that God is the “throne,” or Source and Upholder of Christ’s kingship, Daniel 7:13, 14 and Luke 1:32 show that God confers such authority on him.
John NEVER called Jesus God. Instead, he said: "And who can win this battle against the world? Only those who believe that Jesus is the Son of God."
Did Thomas actually believe Jesus was Almighty God? How could he, since Thomas was present when Jesus said that his Father was greater than he was? (John 14:28) Thomas was also present when Jesus prayed to his Father, calling Him the only true God.
- Anonymous1 decade ago
I kind of think that they are going back to the 10 commandments
Thou shall not have any other God before me
And the Son of God is just that His Son Not the God that Jesus prayed to in the garden with drops of sweat as blood prayed
"Father if it is possible let this cup pass before me but not my will but thine be done.
and the God that Jesus while on the cross and His death moments away said aloud "Father Into thy hands I give (commend) my soul".
And Jesus also said many times "You can not get to the home of our Father but threw me
By the teachings of Jesus what God in heaven wants
Our Father who art in heaven ..
is the beginning of the prayer
This is the reason why
- debbiepittmanLv 71 decade ago
Jehovah called Moses God also. Exodus. 4:16, 7:1, the angels (Ps 82: 1, 4, 5) and more. So? Doesn't mean any of them are God Almighty Jehovah, just that they are powerful.
- achtung_heissLv 71 decade ago
Professor Jason BeDuhn has written extensively about this verse, and he agrees with a somewhat different translation of that verse:
.. ..(Heb 1:8) But with reference to the Son: “God is your throne forever and ever
BeDuhn's book "Truth in Translation" notes that the above English phrase MUST be worded in ancient Greek as the original manuscripts of the verse are. By contrast, the supposed English rendering used by the questioner and others could have been originally expressed with multiple other (less vague) possibilities by the Greek-language penman of Hebrews.
Additionally, BeDuhn (not a Witness) and Jehovah's Witnesses recognize that this verse agrees better with the rest of the Bible when it is understood that the Father serves as Jesus' 'throne', or source of authority. Perhaps the questioner is unaware that similar phrasing was used in connection with Israel's human kings. It seems rather obvious that Jehovah the Father was similarly referred to as the eternal 'throne' of Israel's human kings.
.. ..(Psalm 45:1,6 RSV) I address my verses to the king; ...Your divine throne endures for ever and ever.
.. ..(Psalms 45:1,6 NWT) My works are concerning a king... God is your throne to time indefinite, even forever
In other words, God Himself is the source and basis of all theocratic majesty. Hebrews 1:8 does not support the trinity, but agrees with the rest of the Bible that Jesus is appointed by God and thus is a separate distinct person from Jehovah God the Father.
Jehovah's Witnesses teach that no salvation occurs without Christ, that accepting Christ's sacrifice is a requirement for true worship, that every prayer must acknowledge Christ, that Christ is the King of God's Kingdom, that Christ is the head of the Christian congregation, that Christ is immortal and above every creature, even that Christ was the 'master worker' in creating the universe!
Jehovah's Witnesses love and respect and honor Christ. However, Jehovah's Witnesses believe that the Scriptures quite plainly demonstrate that Jesus and the Almighty are separate distinct persons, and the Almighty created Jesus as His firstborn son.
.. ..(Philippians 2:5-6) Christ Jesus, who, although he was existing in God's form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God
.. ..(John 12:49) I have not spoken out of my own impulse, but the Father himself who sent me has given me a commandment as to what to tell and what to speak
.. ..(1 Corinthians 15:28) But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him
.. ..(1 Corinthians 11:3) I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ; ...in turn the head of the Christ is God
.. ..(John 20:17) I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.
.. ..(Deuteronomy 6:4) Jehovah our God is one Jehovah
.. ..(1 Corinthians 8:4-6) There is no God but one. For even though there are those who are called "gods," whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many "gods" and many "lords," there is actually to us one God the Father, out of whom all things are, and we for him
Thanks again for an opportunity to share what the bible actually says about the distinct persons of Jesus Christ the Son and Jehovah God the Father!
- Anonymous1 decade ago
You are correct
1 IN THE beginning [before all time] was the Word ([a]Christ), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God [b]Himself.(A)Source(s): The Amplified Bible