why do the irish spoil things with there referendum?

whats wrong with being in line with the eu

we will all be stronger

bad show from the weak irish

25 Answers

  • 1 decade ago
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    The main points laid out in the Treaty are listed for you to read below. The Irish had the chance to look at the pros and cons of each point and decide what their impact will be on Ireland and it's people!!! You should do the same before you start going on about the Irish!!

    YOU should know what your GOVERNMENT is voting for as it will affect YOUR future and it will affect ALL of us in Europe.

    At least we have / had a chance to vote in Ireland. YOU just have to ACCEPT what your government tells you like in all the in the other Europeon countries!!

    If it's so good why don't they let you vote in the UK? Don't criticise the Irish because it is our democratic right to vote and decide what should happen in our own country.

    By the way, if your so in favour of being in line with the EU, then you should have no problem giving up the pound in the UK and adopting the Euro € like the rest of us!!!!

    Or is that just "Bad show from the Bold British?"

    Below I've put the changes that this treaty intends to implement. Read them and then apply them to the UK and see what you think.

    Point 3 is interesting, just think about what happened in the Eurovision, imagine what the eastern europeon countries can achieve with that one!!

    Also point 10 is of interest especially to those in the armed forces. Aren't they already under pressure trying to cope with Iraq and Afghanistan? I'm sure they 'd love Europeon deployments as well!

    Don't forget that we in Ireland know what it's like to be dictated to from an outside body. We had eight hundred years of it.

    We are not going to swap the King's shilling for Brussel's cent again!!

    1. Top jobs

    A politician will be chosen to be president of the European Council for two and a half years, replacing the current system where presidency is rotated between member states every six months. Another post to be created will be the EU High Representative for Foreign and Security Policy, combining the current roles of EU foreign policy chief Javier Solana and external affairs commissioner Benita Ferrero-Waldner.

    2. Charter of Fundamental Rights

    The Lisbon Treaty makes the EU Charter of Fundamental Rights a legally-binding document. The charter lists the human rights recognized by the European Union.

    3. Citizens’ initiative

    Under the Lisbon Treaty, the commission is obliged to consider any proposal signed by at least one million citizens from a number of member states.

    4. National parliaments to get ‘yellow card’ facility

    All proposals for EU legislation will have to be sent to national parliaments, who will then have eight weeks to offer a ‘reasoned opinion’ on whether they believe the proposal respects the principle of subsidiarity (this is the principle by which decisions should as far as possible be made at local or national level). If enough national parliaments object to a proposal, the commission can decide to maintain, amend or withdraw it.

    5. Smaller commission

    The European Commission is the EU’s executive arm; it puts forward legislation and ensures that EU policies are correctly implemented. Since 2004, it has been made up of 27 commissioners, one from each member state. Under the new treaty, the commission will be reduced to 18 members from 2014, with membership rotating every five years. This means that only two-thirds of member states will have their own commissioner at any one time, and each country will lose its commissioner for five years at a time.

    6. European Parliament to get greater powers but reduced numbers

    Currently, the European Parliament has joint lawmaking power with the Council of Ministers over about 75% of legislative areas. If the Lisbon Treaty enters into force, co-decision will be extended to virtually all areas of EU policy.

    The European Parliament comprises 785 MEPs from across the union; under the treaty, this will be permanently reduced to 751. The number of Irish MEPs will drop from 13 to 12.

    7. New areas of EU competence

    The Lisbon Treaty will set out those areas over which the EU has exclusive competence, shared competence with member states, or supporting competence. The treaty gives the EU no new areas of exclusive competence; however, it establishes joint competence in the areas of space and energy. It also gives the EU the role of supporting competence in several new fields including health, education, tourism, energy and sport.

    8. Redistribution of voting weights between member states

    Within those areas to be decided by qualified majority voting, the current rules require the support of a little over 72% of member states for a law to be passed. Under the new system due to come into effect from 2014, a vote can be passed if it is backed by 55% of member states, and secondly, if these countries represent 65% of the EU’s population. It can also be passed if less than four countries oppose it. The changes mean

    that it will be easier to pass legislation, and more difficult to block it. Countries with smaller populations will have less chance of blocking legislation.

    9. Shift from unanimity to majority voting

    The Lisbon Treaty will see an increase in the number of policy areas to be decided by a majority vote at the council, rather than by unanimity. Qualified majority voting will become the norm; however, there are some notable exceptions that will still require unanimous decisions, including taxation and defence.

    One area where the unanimity veto will give way to qualified majority voting is Justice and Home Affairs, covering issues such as asylum, immigration, criminal law, border controls and police cooperation. Ireland has the power to opt out of this area on a case-by-case basis.

    10. Changes to common security and defence policy

    The Lisbon Treaty provides for the progressive framing of a common defence policy for the European Union, which will nonetheless respect the neutrality of member states like Ireland. It also allows the European Council to change decision making from unanimity to majority voting in a number of areas, excluding military and defence. However such changes will themselves require unanimous decisions.

    The treaty extends the range of peacekeeping and humanitarian missions for which the union may draw on member states to include disarmament operations, military advice and assistance and post-conflict stabilization.

    Source(s): Irish resident. I've read the Lisbon Treaty, so SHOULD you!
  • Anonymous
    5 years ago

    The EU has been trying to bribe and coerce the Irish people into a YES for so long it is shameful that only now somebody has called foul. Even in Y!A their propagandists have been spouting inane comments like ' the Irish will vote Yes because the English want them to say NO'! The Irish vote is important to Ireland because it is the last time ever that they, or anyone else, will be able to vote on anything to do with the EU. The Irish Constitution will be consigned to the dustbin of history by this 'self amending' treaty/constitution. The people of France and The Netherlands, who said No and then were denied another vote by their pro-EU Governments, along with the UK and Denmark, who were denied any vote at all, and the Polish and Czech Republics, all hope and pray that Ireland will stand up for itself and thereby stand up for them. I think that the Irish People are clever enough and wise enough to treat the attempts to indoctrinate, bribe and coerce them into a Yes as the last flings of the dying corrupt regimes that the EU and Biffo's government have become. Although this is illegal, the vote will not be unless the vote is NO. Biffo's corrupt crew are in the middle of a scandal involving expenses and pensions, the EU has not cleared an audit for 16 years, what makes you think either will be fair, honest and transparent now? If the Irish say NO now, the UK gets a chance to say NO next summer under a new Conservative government, the Poles and Czechs will hold the line until then, and then this whole debacle can be laid to rest. The EU will not fall apart if the Irish say NO again, any more than it did - despite the EU warnings that it would - when the French, the Dutch and the Irish said NO before. G-d Bless and save Ireland. Anseo shows the level of articulation and National Pride of those who would vote Yes in the referendum on Friday. Stuffing the English is more important than protecting the Republic that millions have fought for over the last 900 years. Please don't take him/her as an exemplar of Irish education and intelligence. Just pity him/her. Flying Mop Dog II obviously does not understand what a 'self amending treaty' is. It means that when it is adopted it amends itself, without recourse to the people or nations - for so long as they last - ever again! That is fact, it is in the treaty. Doesn't matter how much you wish it wasn't, or deny it, or pretend it is a 'scare', it is there, it is true and it will bury Ireland and every other independent and free people. Flying Mop Dog II: No need to get angry. The 'assurances' that you talk about will mean nothing once the treaty is passed into Irish and EU Law, and you will be able to do nothing about them when they are swept under the carpet. It is a 'self amending' treaty, which means that all and any of it can be changed without vote or recourse to the 'demos' - you know, the people part in democracy! Anything that the EU bureaucrats don't like, they can change and you will just have to lump it. It is not 'conspiracy', it is real politic. If you truly have done a Masters, then you will know the idea and history of the European Project, who was it that said 'hide the political union and project behind trade and commerce'?! I feel like Cassandra in Troy! The more truth that she told, the more that she was ignored until she gave the final warning of disaster and was killed for it. I hope that you won't kill me, but my telling of the truth and foreboding of disaster is real and will be borne out with time to the disaster of Ireland and France and Holland and Denmark and Britain and Poland and Czech Republic and, more importantly, the free peoples of Europe. Long live the Republic! Flying Mop Dog II: Surely the point of the Lisbon Treaty is that we are all Europeans together, sharing our present and future, and moving forward together in common to a consensus based on equal and common democracy, where all europeans are entitled to discuss, persuade and argue their points. Your parochial view of the Irish referendum is at odds with your pro-EU remarks and stance. A paradox for you to sort out. Come tomorrow, if the Yes vote wins, you will not be Irish anymore, you will be a European living in the province of Ireland. As you don't know my nationality your assumptions on it are foolish. G-d Bless and Save the Irish Republic.

  • The referendum is an extension of democracy. For once a nation allowed the people to decide. Well done the Irish.

  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    The people have spoken, this is democracy at work. If you cannot accept this you cannot accept democracy. In this case I suggest that you move to North Korea.

    From what I hear the Irish want to be in Europe, but they don't want to give so much power.

    For example, many European countries like France and the Nordic states have VERY socialistic economies, and other like Britain have crippling human right legislation. Ireland doesn't want things like these forced on them.

    Imagine that you were in a super state with Saudi Arabia? Would you want their views imposed on your foreign policy?

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  • 1 decade ago

    i really dont see how "we" will be stronger, we pay a hell of a lot of taxpayers money into a federal europe which has largely gone to subsidise the weaker members of the eu - how is that to our (uk) advantage - as william hague put it - we want to be in europe but not run by europe - the eu is totally undemocratic - do you think that we in the UK have any influence over the creation of eu rules - no, at least we get a vote on uk political parties every 4/5 years

    I always thought that one of the points of the EU was to try to create a trading conglomerate rather than individual states - but with manufacturing increasingly going to India, China and other areas with lower worker expectations - that has been a huge waste of time.

    the UK should control UK politics and we shouldnt be subsidising the Italian tabacco trade etc ....

    AND added to that, remember when the EU ruled that teh ban on british beef should end - the French (who are pretty big dicks in the EU) took no notice - so dont talk about strength and solidarity

  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    you are entitled to your opinion but it was their choice and i say good for them. Besides which if you were to ask or give the referendum to all the people involved in this Constitution/Treaty and asked them which way they would vote i think it would be a resounding no. Its the politicians who seem to want it more than the actual people on the ground.

  • 1 decade ago

    I hope you're on a wind up, mate. I greatly doubt anyone will be stronger within the EU.

    And if your punctuation is anything to go by, you certainly won't have a clue what the EU Treaty actually amounts to because it's deeply unlikely you'll have been capable of reading it.

  • 1 decade ago

    The implications of the EU constitution/treaty are quite frightening. If it takes the Irish to speak for the disenfranchised majority, then so be it.

  • 1 decade ago

    if europe was not trying to bully this treaty on everyone, why did they not allow all member states to vote and have majority vote, but they made us scape goats

    quirk of fate

    the irish national anthem is

    Soldiers are we

    Whose lives are pledged to Ireland

    Some have come

    From a land beyond the wave

    Sworn to be free

    No more our ancient sire land

    Shall shelter the despot or the slave

    Tonight we man the bearna baol[7]

    In Erin’s cause, come woe or weal (well)

    ’Mid cannon’s roar and rifles’ peal

    We’ll chant a soldier’s song

  • 1 decade ago

    The Irish National Anthem is called Amhran na bhFiann or in English The Soldiers song, I have posted the correct Irish (which we always sing - never in English !!) I have sung this at every International football game and GAA All Ireland Hurling Finals that I have been to, Oh, and also we used to sing it after the music finished in the local pub at going home time (few years back mind you, sadly this is rare now) so I know it by heart, but for those who cannot speak Irish I have also provided the English translation.

    Now I will sing it with even more pride.

    Amhrán na bhFiann

    Seo dhibh a cháirde duan Óglaigh,

    Cathréimeach briomhar ceolmhar,

    Ár dtinte cnámh go buacach táid,

    'S an spéir go min réaltogach

    Is fonnmhar faobhrach sinn chun gleo

    'S go tiúnmhar glé roimh thíocht do'n ló

    Fé chiúnas chaomh na hoiche ar seol:

    Seo libh canaídh Amhrán na bhFiann.


    Sinne Fianna Fáil

    A tá fé gheall ag Éirinn,

    buion dár slua

    Thar toinn do ráinig chugainn,

    Fé mhóid bheith saor.

    Sean tír ár sinsir feasta

    Ní fhagfar fé'n tiorán ná fé'n tráil

    Anocht a théam sa bhearna bhaoil,

    Le gean ar Ghaeil chun báis nó saoil

    Le guna screach fé lámhach na bpiléar

    Seo libh canaídh Amhrán na bhFiann.

    Cois bánta réidhe, ar árdaibh sléibhe,

    Ba bhuachach ár sinsir romhainn,

    Ag lámhach go tréan fé'n sár-bhrat séin

    Tá thuas sa ghaoith go seolta

    Ba dhúchas riamh d'ár gcine cháidh

    Gan iompáil siar ó imirt áir,

    'S ag siúl mar iad i gcoinne námhad

    Seo libh, canaídh Amhrán na bhFiann.


    A bhuíon nách fann d'fhuil Ghaeil is Gall,

    Sin breacadh lae na saoirse,

    Ta scéimhle 's scanradh i gcroíthe namhad,

    Roimh ranna laochra ár dtire.

    Ár dtinte is tréith gan spréach anois,

    Sin luisne ghlé san spéir anoir,

    'S an bíobha i raon na bpiléar agaibh:

    Seo libh, canaídh Amhrán na bhFiann.


    (English translation):

    The Soldier's Song

    We'll sing a song, a soldier's song,

    With cheering rousing chorus,

    As round our blazing fires we throng,

    The starry heavens o'er us;

    Impatient for the coming fight,

    And as we wait the morning's light,

    Here in the silence of the night,

    We'll chant a soldier's song.


    Soldiers are we

    whose lives are pledged to Ireland;

    Some have come

    from a land beyond the wave.

    Sworn to be free,

    No more our ancient sire land

    Shall shelter the despot or the slave.

    Tonight we man the gap of danger

    In Erin's cause, come woe or weal

    'Mid cannons' roar and rifles peal,

    We'll chant a soldier's song.

    In valley green, on towering crag,

    Our fathers fought before us,

    And conquered 'neath the same old flag

    That's proudly floating o'er us.

    We're children of a fighting race,

    That never yet has known disgrace,

    And as we march, the foe to face,

    We'll chant a soldier's song.


    Sons of the Gael! Men of the Pale!

    The long watched day is breaking;

    The serried ranks of Inisfail

    Shall set the Tyrant quaking.

    Our camp fires now are burning low;

    See in the east a silv'ry glow,

    Out yonder waits the Saxon foe,

    So chant a soldier's song.



    Our pledge is to Ireland, the English national anthem pledge is to your ruler (king, Queen etc), not to your country, that, my friend is the difference between you and us.

    So proud to be Irish today - I knew David would defeat Goliath - again !.

    Please read the lyrics and you will understand why we will not be ruled by anyone outside of our beloved Country ever again.

    We are not weak.

    Alan m - come over here lad and I will give you a right slap - we do not fight our 800 year oppressors' wars, you get into a mess - get yourself out of it - if you want to fight another man's war and get hurt, don't come crying to us.

    Source(s): Irish Republican, and soooooo proud to be one.
  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    They have every right to vote against the referendum if they have not been fully informed of the consequences.

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