Why does everybody call me a poser? Do I sound like a poser to you?
Hi, I'm a 13 year old goth. Everybody at school calls me a poser. I've been goth for a few years and I know that it's a subculture. Honestly, I really don't think I'm going through a phase. People often call me a poser because of my music choices I think. I'm into a lot of 80's pop, disco, reggae, techno, rap, hip hop, dance, punk, and rock. Everybody always says that I don't act goth at all. I laugh and smile a lot. I guess I'm just a happy goth? If you don't know what the gothic subculture is here's a helpful link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goth_subculture
Why do people think goths laugh at dying puppies and blood??? I laugh at blood to be honest with you. And I do strongly dislike puppies, but I wouldn't laugh if they died. WTF IS WRONG WIT U?
ACTUALLY FOOL, MY NAME IS BLACK OR WHITE! AND IT'S ONE OF MY FAVORITE SONGS BY MICHAEL JACKSON!
- inwardboundLv 51 decade agoFavorite Answer
This is probably the hardest question any goth could try and answer, one may as well ask 'what is society?' as it has so many facets it defies any definitive explanation.
Goth in its simplest form, is a subculture. A group of people who feel comfortable within each others company. There is no specific thing that defines what you need to do or be to fit into the goth scene (except of course the implied black clothing). People in the goth scene all have different musical tastes, follow different religions, have different occupations, hobbies, and fashion sense.
Why do people become goths?
Most goths become goths because they have been spurned by 'normal' society because the way they want to live their lives does not fit in with how most people are told to live theirs. Goths are free thinkers, people who do not accept the moral rules of society because they're told 'This is just how it is' or 'This is what God says!'. Rather goths tend to listen to what you have to say, and make up their own mind. This kind of free thinking and rejection of dogma earns only rejection in todays society.
However because of this rejection from 'normal' society, goths have banded together to associate with other free thinkers. This has a beneficial effect on both the individual and society as a whole. For the individual they have a sense of belonging, and friends they can associate with. For society it removes one more misfit filled with rage from society's streets.
This of course is not the case for all goths. Many goths today are goths for a variety of other reasons. They like the music, or the clubs are better, they have goth friends and joined in with them, or they just like staying up late nights and goths are the only ones awake to talk to.
The gothic stereotype
Many stereotypes of goths exist these days. It seems everyone has their own way to define 'what is goth'. From the stereotypes based on clothing to music right up to the stereotypes of all goths being satanists or part of some kind of cult. Categorically, all of these are false.
The goth scene is just as widely varied as society in general. There are many different professions represented in the scene, from highly skilled professionals like doctors and lawyers, to tradesman, to technically minded people to clerical workers. Many different musical tastes exist (and not all of them goth, there is a HUGE 80's following in the goth scene for some reason). The fashion varies vastly from goth to goth from the traditional flowing victorian style garments to the buckled and studded style regalia (also called industrial style, which is often closely related with goths, and have come to an understanding of co-existance, if uneasily at times).
How do I get into goth?
This is the simplest part of the page. Go check out our Community section over on the left, and use it to find out whats going on in your local area. Goths tend to be accepting and open minded. Just turn up to a club or event wearing all black and your already in the goth scene. You'll pick it up as you go along (just a hint though, lay off the vampire comments!).
The gothic sense of humour is highly developed, and often leans toward the satirical. Quietly laughing at the more idiotic and less tolerant factions of society that seem to think yelling out of cars at us makes them cooler. Goths have learned to laugh at themselves and see society in a much different light. They have had to, and it is a trait most would not give up.
Goths have for the most part (not unanimously of course, but mostly) dropped all forms of prejudice. Noone is afraid within the goth scene to come out as being gay, and noone has to hide their religion for fear of scorn from their peers or zealots wanting to convert them from the arms of Satan. In fact because of these facts (and the general lack of prejudice) the goth scene has a large proportion of gays/bisexuals, and followers of non-mainstream religions and views. This of course is the most important aspect of gothdom, and why most goths became goths in the first place, tolerance.
But they think weird!
Ah, but this is the beauty of goths. Most subjects that are taboo in 'normal' society are freely discussed and debated about. Death, religion, magick, mysticism, and many other topics that are only roached carefully outside of the gothic community. Most goths have realised that fear is only a reaction instilled in us by dogmatic propaganda, and once you realise there is nothing to fear from the topic, whats to stop you discussing it?
Goths often revel in the fear given to them by society as a whole. Often the behavior exhibited by society to them based on society's perception of them from stereotypes, rumour, etc are a constant source of entertainment. Of course, most of the rumours are totally unfounded, goths are people like everyone else, however when you already have a reputation, going for the shock factor is often far too tempting to see how much society at large is willing to believe (or deduce) with only a little encouragement.
This does not totally fall away once you get inside the scene unfortunately, and goths are all too often tempted to try for the shock factor within the scene (which turns out more tacky than shocking). Goths when you get down to it can be a rather pretentious bunch, trying for those extra 'goth points' on the gothier than thou scale, but it adds to the enjoyment.
History of Goth
Modern goth (ignoring where the name itself originally comes from) started in the early 80's as part of the punk subculture (which is itself was a rejection of most societal values, and anything considered part of the 'norm'). The phrase was coined by the band manager of Joy Division, Anthony H. Wilson, who described the band as 'Gothic compared with the pop mainstream'. The term stuck, and as punk eventually died, Goth survived and became its own subculture. The punk clothing and hairstyles mellowed, and the core 'rejection of society' attitude alone lived on in the gothic subculture. Over time this itself has been modified to be more of a 'no more blind acceptance of society's values' as opposed to rejection because it was there to be rejected (and because you could get away with it!).
Movies such as The Crow, and bands such as the Bauhaus helped establish the gothic image as dark, depressing, and even evil. As more and more 'dark' movies came out, numbers in the gothic subculture expanded, and there is now a gothic community in almost every major city around the world, and quite a number of towns have their own representative contingent. Nowdays there are more goth bands around than ever, and it has turned from an 80's phenomenon into a 90's way of life for many people. Unlike the punk subculture that it spawned from, there even exists a class of mature goths, still following the scene around even past their 20's and into their 30's and beyond.
-- PreZSource(s): got the above article at http://www.goth.net/goth.html yeah so anyway, the first paragraph state people in the goth scene listen to all different types of music!!! So you're goth! Not a poser! they are haters...continue to be you
- 1 decade ago
So technically, they think you're a poser and not a real goth. Someone who is just pretending to be a goth. Or a "goth in training" so to speak.
Now your first mistake was telling everyone you are a goth. People will see it in your attitude and clothes. You don't have to define yourself as Goth or anything else. If you do understand the subculture, you'll know that goths are individuals like anyone. Laughing and smiling is standard .
You're a poser if you stand around, talking about being a goth. Its boring and silly for everyone else around you, so just be yourself. You'll end up as "that gothic guy" later on anyway, and that's fine.
- Really?Lv 61 decade ago
A subculture is defined by it's clothing, music, system of belief, etc. You may appreciate gothic fashions but you're not a goth. At 13, just about everything is a phase. You're still trying to figure out who you are and what your place is in the world.
- Anonymous1 decade ago
Personally I don't believe in labels all too much except on rare occasions. You're just you, if people call you a poser it's because they're too insecure about themselves to realize that not everyone has to fall into a "category". Whether you're goth, prep, punk, scene, skater, emo, girly, jock, rebel, or anything else, there's always going to be something that differs you from the rest, something that makes you you.
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- Anonymous1 decade ago
just forget about everybody else. be who you want to be. you're not a poser you're just being yourself. its not a law that goths have to listen to a certain type of music and can't laugh or smile, its just a stereotype. dont listen to people when they call you a poser.
- Anonymous1 decade ago
Like all the goths I've seen listen to like, hard core metal, full blast in their head phones, and hate rap. So yea, poser ):
- Anonymous1 decade ago
You know what? being a poser is not knowing who you are and acting like someone else. If you like looking goth, then keeping looking goth and tell them to **** off. :)
- 1 decade ago
You know what you do not have to conform to every single norm in your subculture. Your not a poser, your unique. Keep being you! :)
- Anonymous1 decade ago
lol I like the same music you do and everyone says am preppy...I didn't know that I thought I was plain Jane. But be goth and forget them!!
- rlstaehleLv 61 decade ago
Anyone who uses an image to define who they are can be put in the category of poser.
- BulldogLv 51 decade ago
if you are letting this get to you, you are letting them turn you into a poser, being an individual and choosing your own way is about not caring what others think