Was there anything other than the catholic church prior to 1650?
I know there were heresies like the ones mentioned in the bible, with people bringing in man made teachings but Paul and Peter and John worked to get rid of them.
Does anyone have any historical evidence of anything other than Catholic prior to Luthers apostacy.
Im talking historical, not "my pastor said they were hiding in caves" because a lie told a thousand times is still a lie.
I am holding that from Christ to Luther there was nothing but Catholic
Jesus never had any brothers and sisters at least no blood related ones.
- johnnydepp1118Lv 51 decade agoFavorite Answer
And it wasn't only Sts. Peter, Paul and Joh who had to deal with hereseies, the next genration, including Polycarp and Ireaneusl. Many heretical views were condemed within the first hundred years.
Your pastor is an idiot, and please tell him I said so. He also spreads lies.
The catholic church is the church that Jesus ofunded, it is the kingdom of God on earth withg it be East or West we are one united in apsotolic succesion, and common history. The churech the catholic church was undergraound due to roman persecution for it's first 300 hundred years, as an example one does not hear much from the church in China these days. That doesn't mean a chinese catholi cannot go to daily Mass it does mean that things that may be adverised here are not their. The roman parish literally held Masses underground in the catecombs or caves, so by pure chance your pastor got somethign right. Eventually we converted a Roman Emperor and emerged the Catholic church is the kingdom of God/heaven on earth and the gates of hell shall not prevail against us.
Why noyt go to your nearest parish and ask a priest these questions.
- 1 decade ago
Only Catholic Church that can give evidence back to the first century to Peter is the Catholic Church. Catholic Church gives names of Pope dating back to Peter and Historical facts, Father of The Desert, Saints, Martyrs, and use Holy Bible Matthew 16:18 (Kephas; Aramaic Kipha, rock) and other verses. Don't define the name of Peter it is a Aramaic name not Greek because if you do you change bible and call Peter woman female rock or Jesus a female or any other female. Look at the Catholic sites source not to the Car Sale Person. You must read from the source of the argument and decided, and don’t rush. Yahoo is not Catholic source. If you just lesson to the Car Sales Person you will be misinformed.
- 1 decade ago
There were several:
Arianism, Montanism, Donatist, Docetist, Novatianism, Gnosticism, Marcionism, Sabetialisism, Valentinism and others schismatic churches during the time of the early Church, insuing from each were the defense of the early Church fathers, who in turn helped develop the Catholic Church of today. Montanism and Arianism being the two that lasted the longest.
Some of these are still seen today under a different title, but similar in belief and nature, all were schism of the Christian Church of the day, and named after their founders, and most are no longer in existence today, because the Truth did not lie in them, and therefore they did not survive the test of time.
I hope you are satisfied with the answers some have provided here.
Eastern Orthodox and Roman Catholicism are not schismatic churches though, they are both Apostolic and both carry the tradition and truth of the Gospel.
Have a wonderful and blessed day.
- MistyLv 71 decade ago
I assume you mean Christians faiths, since Judaism was obviously before Catholic.
There were other schisms, but not as large or as damaging as the Reformation. But in general you are correct. Prior to Martin Luther's heresy, those who were Christians were Catholic.
For the fundamentalists: No, they weren't called Catholics at first, but they were Catholic in practice. Read the writings of the Early Church Fathers (who were the first Christians) and you will find that they were definitely Catholic.
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- skepsisLv 71 decade ago
Are you limiting your view to Western Europe? Because there were a whole bunch of Eastern Orthodox sects, Greek, Aermenian, Coptic, Maronite, Syrian, Chaldean, etc., all undeniably Christian. What made the Roman rite unified was the pope, who ordered the standardization of liturgy, doctrine and practice throughout the West, and suppressed all dissent simply by excommunicating people. Around 1200, an actual Crusade was waged against the Cathars of Languedoc (Southern France), who practiced a gnostic type of Christianity they'd picked up from the Bogomils of the East. Protestants all remember John Wycliffe, who committed the sin of translating the Vulgate Bible from Latin to English and training laymen to preach from it, in the 1390s. And 50 years later, John Hus of France was doing similar things.
It was impossible to have an official Christian "Church" beyond Roman Catholicism in Western Europe because the Catholic Church set the rules for what constituted a Christian Church. Anyone who didn't acknowledge the authority of Rome was no longer a Christian and therefore could not found a church. And Martin Luther found himself sliding down the same chute. He wanted a reform of abuses, but what he got was a fight for his clerical life. He realized that the only way to fight Rome was to delegitimize its authority.
Luther came up with a way to do it by establishing the doctrine of "sola fide", using a single passage in Romans to "prove" that only belief, not "works", led to salvation. Therefore, all the intercessory work the Church did and promoted was invalid. To back up "sola fide", he established another doctrine, "sola scriptura", which contrasted God's word against the "traditions of men", which implied anything the Catholic Church had came up with in the previous 1500 years. Logically, it didn't hold together all that well, but fortunately Luther found some sympathetic muscle among a number of disgruntled German princes.
That made the difference. When the excommunication came for Luther and all his supporters, they simply ignored it and continued being Christians, forming their own, protest version of Church. All his predecessors had failed before because no one had the imagination to conceive of more than one Christian Church. (Plus, they didn't have the ability to avoid arrest and execution.)
So technically, no, there was no OFFICIAL Christian Church in WESTERN Europe besides Catholicism before Luther. That does not mean there weren't a variety of Christianities practiced there, or elsewhere. In fact, it might not mean that much at all.
- Doc OccamLv 71 decade ago
The Protestant churches are products of the sixteenth century, so by the mid-seventeenth, they were already a century old. The Orthodox church, over five centuries old. And that's leaving out all the "heresies" that the established churches managed to crush, the Albigensian, Arminian, etc.
EDIT: Nestorian. Thanks, Apeman, that's what I was trying to think of.
The early history of the church is a mess of factions, sects, rituals, heretics, argument, disagreement, and on and on.
- AugustineLv 61 decade ago
In 1054 there was the "East" "West" schism, however they both remained eucharistic and liturgical. Almost in communion.
Not until 1517 did Luther start the wheels rolling for Protestantism.
Basically for the first 1500 years of Christianity there was only the Catholic Church.
The 1600's really saw the birth of many Protestant denominations such as Baptists (Anabaptists), etc.....
- starfishltdLv 51 decade ago
According to the Bible, Jesus established His church. It's been in existence since the Day of Pentecost. Sometime afterward, the Catholic and all denominations were established by man. I'm not exactly sure what you mean by heresies that the mentioned apostles worked to get rid of. The first century church (the church at Corinth, Ephesus, Philippi, etc.) certainly had their problems but there was never an effort to eliminate them. The worst case is the church at Laodicea that Jesus said He wanted to 'spew' out of His mouth. But even so, He also said there were a few Christians there that were faithful. The catholics date themselves all the way back to the first century to Peter. I'm just not aware of any Biblical information that does the same. As for me, it's not about tracing our roots. Our church family lays claim to the New Testament church by adoption...much in the same way we are children of Abraham. Our goal is to be like the church was instructed to be in the New Testament.
- Anonymous1 decade ago
Eastern Orthrodox Church
- apeman605Lv 71 decade ago
The Coptic Church in Egypt, Abyssinian Church in Ethiopia, Nestorian Christians, Arian Christians, Eastern Orthodoxy, just to name the ones that come to mind.