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Cherokee question: Does anyone know who the ancestors of Amatoya Moytoy were?

I am working on my geneology. He was a Cherokee chief. I believe the tribe descended from the Algonquin tribe. I have Moytoy's descendents, just not his ancestors. Thanks.

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  • 1 decade ago
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    Yes, his father was Thomas Pasmere Carpenter who at 20 years old came to Jamestown, Virginia from England in 1627. Thomas was the son of Robert Carpenter (1578 – 1651) and Susan Pasmere Jeffery (1579 – 1651). He had a ten acre lease in Virginia, but it was later given to someone else because of his age, so he went to live with the Shawnee and made his home in a cave. Thomas was called "Cornplanter" by the Shawnee, derived from their sign language that matched as near as possible to the work of a carpenter. He married a Shawnee woman named "Pride" and bore a son around 1635 named Trader Carpenter, and a daughter Pasmere Carpenter, about 1637. Together with partners John Greenwood and Thomas Watts they began a thriving fur business.

    Trader was taught to “witch” for water with a willow stick by the Shawnee. He was later known by the Cherokee as the "water conjurer" or Ama Matai (Ama is Cherokee for water). Ama Matai eventually became pronounced as Amatoya. It was also shortened to “Moytoy”, so he is known as Moytoy I.

    The clan grew quickly. Trader (Amatoya / Moytoy I) married a Shawnee named Locha in 1658. Pasmere married the grandfather of Cornstalk Hokolesqua (Shawnee) in 1660. The same year the clan was driven south by the Iroquois. They moved along the Tennessee river, starting the villages of Running Water (where Thomas died in 1675), Nickajack, Lookout Mountain, Crowtown and Chota. Chota was created as a merging place of refuge for people of all tribes, history or color. It became similar to a capital for the Cherokee nation. These villages grew to about 2000 people by 1670 when the Carpenter clan moved to Great Tellico. Here Trader (Amatoya / Motoy I) married Quatsy of the Wolf Clan in 1680. They bore a daughter Nancy in 1683.

    Though Amatoya (Trader) was chief of the above mentioned villages, it was his son Moytoy II (sometimes called "Trader-Tom") who was the one who actually became a Cherokee principle chief. In 1730, Trader-Tom (Moytoy II) took over as Chief, receiving what was described as the “Crown of Tannassy”. Tanasi was where the previous Chief resided and the traditional headdress was passed on to him. Some called him "Emperor of the Cherokee."

    Amatoya's grandson (through daughter Nancy and an Algonquin named White Owl Raven who had been adopted by Trader-Tom ) was Attacullaculla, known as the "little carpenter" because of the Carpenter family name. Attacullaculla and several brothers traveled to London in 1730 with Sir Alexander Cumming to meet King George II.

    The fur trading Carpenter family owned many ships. Thomas made several trips to Barbados over the years where they did banking, and even to Scotland and Ireland. On occasion he took Trader, and Trader Tom with him. This line is descended from Vicomte Guillaume de Melun le Carpentier, and that links them to the British royal family.

    • There is no Thomas Carpenter in the passenger and Immigration List Index at all until 1674. Thomas Passmore Jr. and his wife Jane are documented 8 times from 1619-1625 coming to Virginia an being alive in the spring of 1625.. He was a carpenter by trade.

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    5 years ago

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    Cherokee question: Does anyone know who the ancestors of Amatoya Moytoy were?

    I am working on my geneology. He was a Cherokee chief. I believe the tribe descended from the Algonquin tribe. I have Moytoy's descendents, just not his ancestors. Thanks.

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  • 1 decade ago

    I hope you don't mind me correcting you, but Amatoyi and Moytoy is the same name. It's a mispronunciation of Ama'dohi (He Goes on Water). The Cherokee did not descend from the Algonquin as well. There are descendants of the Iroqouis as referenced by the proximities in language, religious practive, and cultural beliefs, as well as yearly festival rites.

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  • 4 years ago

    This man was my 11th great grandfather does anyone know what you need to join Cherokee Nation all I have is my family tree

    • Eric4 years agoReport

      You'll need to check out the Dawes Rolls
      http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes
      - if you don't have an ancestor there, you're not getting in.
      http://www.cherokee.org/Features/TribalCitizenship.aspx

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  • Erika
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    3 years ago

    Chief Moytoy

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  • 1 decade ago

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