So according to the answers to my post, the LDS Church, the JWs and the Mormons are not 'Christian'?
- No offence intended to any members of these groups! I'm just trying to understand the definition of 'Christian' and so far I've gathered that only groups adhering to the Nicene Creed can define themselves as such.
So then what are Mormons, LDS Church and JWs?
whoops! sorry, didn't realise that Mormons and LDS Church were one and the same - my apologies :)
LONE RANGER - oh, I won't be converting. I am very interested in Christianity but not for my own religion; I just find theology fascinating.
- achtung_heissLv 71 decade agoBest Answer
Adherents of the Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses are Christians.
A few self-described "Christians" have claimed that the title applies uniquely to those who believe precisely as they do. They apparently take for themselves a role which properly belongs to Christ himself.
.. ..(Matthew 7:21-23) Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the kingdom of the heavens, but the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will. Many will say to me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, ...and perform many powerful works in your name?’ And yet then I will confess to them: I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness.
Ironically, the bible most closely associates being "Christian" with preaching about Christ and Christ's teachings. Review all three times the bible uses the term "Christian" and note that the context connects the term with:
"declaring the good news"
'teaching quite a crowd'
'open eyes, turn from dark to light'
"uttering sayings of truth"
"keep on glorifying"
.. ..(Acts 11:20-26) [The early disciples of Jesus] began talking to the Greek-speaking people, declaring the good news of the Lord Jesus... and taught quite a crowd, and it was first in Antioch that the disciples were by divine providence called Christians.
.. ..(Acts 26:17-28) [Jesus said to Paul] I am sending you, to open their eyes, to turn them from darkness to light and from the authority of Satan to God... Paul said: “I am not going mad, Your Excellency Festus, but I am uttering sayings of truth and of soundness of mind. ...Do you, King Agrippa, believe the Prophets? I know you believe.” But Agrippa said to Paul: “In a short time you would persuade me to become a Christian.”
.. ..(1 Peter 4:14-16) If you are being reproached for the name of Christ, you are happy... But if he suffers as a Christian, let him not feel shame, but let him keep on glorifying God in this name
So why do anti-Witnesses try to hijack the term "Christian" and hide its Scriptural implications? Because anti-Witnesses recognize that it is the preaching work that makes it clear that the relatively small religion of Jehovah's Witnesses are by far the most prominent followers of Christ:
.. ..(Matthew 28:19,20) Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded
Technically, some Mormons (such as fundamentalists) are not members of the LDS Church.
- MicheleLv 44 years ago
That is totally wrong. 1. Everybody who followed Christ was born those who didn't will never get a body 2. All people are God's children and equal in his sight. 3. In the Bible Cain's family was cursed after killing Able. This does not mean that all black people are cursed by any means. Just as the Jews aren't the only children of God. In the times of the bible things were very literal. Mormon's are taught that if we treat others poorly or differently (especially because of their religion or skin color etc.) we are not fit for heaven.
- 1 decade ago
I too find theology very, very interesting... and I'm life long LDS. At first I couldn't understand why Christians don't consider Mormons Christian. We believe in Jesus Christ, the Bible, Baptism, etc. But in my studies I realized why they don't, and you pretty much hit the hammer on the head with your assessment. Most Christian Church's (and I say Christian Church's because most Christians who know Mormons consider us fellow Christians) don't believe Mormons are Christian because we believe in modern day Prophets, Apostles, visions and revelations, Priesthood, Baptism. In fact... if Jesus and his church were to be transported to today, his church and himself would be considered Non-Christian for those very reasons that I stated above... Think about it.... a church organized very similarly to Christ's church in the Bible... with Prophets, priesthood Authority, additional revelation resulting in additional books to the Old Testament.... That organization would be condemned by modern day Christianity, the Evangelicals anyway.
But Mormons are not the only one's rejected.... Evangelicals also condemn JW's, Church of Christ, Seventh Day Adventists, Catholics, Christian's who also happen to be Free Mason's. The only people they recognize as true Christians are themselves....
So although I do understand why they reject everyone but themselves, I think the rest of the world would find it very hard to see the LDS church as anything other than a Christian religion.Source(s): Life Long Mormon. Also an Free Mason and a person who loves Theology and history.
- 1 decade ago
kl, a good litmus test? That would imply that the writes of the Nicene Creed were 100% correct in their establishing of what is and isn't a Christian. It is well known that when all these scholars gathered in Nicea that they fought and disagreed mightily. So why would anyone hold this creed as anything more than opinions? If you read the scriptures, try and lead a Christ-like life, have faith and repent, then I think you will be fine. Stop looking to other men to tell you who is and isn't Christian, just decided to be one yourself. What is the need for the Nicene Creed anyhow, isn't that why we have the Bible?
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- EnderLv 61 decade ago
The definition of Christian as defined by those groups adhering to the Nicene Creed is THEIR definition.
If I say that a genius is someone who has blond hair, blue eyes,and is over 6"3", then I, by definition, am a genius, right?
This is exactly what they've done. They've tried to create a "we're christians, they're not" type of club by manipulating the definition.
They can say whatever they want, however, that doesn't make it accurate.
This is an official proclamation (aka doctrine) released by our leaders:
After reading it, try to explain how it is that we're NOT Christian? It's an uphill battle.Source(s): Member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (aka Mormon)
- Anonymous1 decade ago
I am a Mormon. And yes we are Christians. We believe in Christ and his Atonement. And that all mankind maybe saved by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel. And by the way, We are Not a Cult! We believe that there was an apostasy after Christ left the Earth. And that his church has been restored. We believe in the same organization that existed in the primitive church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth. So we believe that there is a true and living Prophet on the earth today. And that there are living apostles. We believe that God has revealed, that he reveals now and he will continue to reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God. And we believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly. Because the Bible was translated many times and "plain and precious truths were lost from it." We also believe that the Book of Mormon is the word of God. It is another testament of Jesus Christ, from the ancient inhabitants of the Americas. For more information about what we believe, please visit www.mormon.org. Remeber if you want to get the truth about what a religion is all about go straight to the source, don't just take somebodies word as the truth. If you have any questions please email me @ firstname.lastname@example.org
- GideonLv 41 decade ago
Why is this so hard? To find out how to define Christian, go to the the dictionary, just like you would to define Buddhist or Muslim.
The Nicene Creed is not in the Bible and is not part of the definition of a Christian.
- IsoldeLv 71 decade ago
There is a lot of talk about creeds. I am not sure if they mean the 325 creed or the 381 version. I am curious if sola scriptura Protestants are Christians since they reject anything not in the Bible.
I would also like to know how can Jesus sit on the right hand of a non-physical being that is himself.
- Anonymous1 decade ago
Just to be clear "Mormon" comes from the book they follow called "The Book of Mormon", it is presented as "another" gospel of Jesus Christ.
Let me give you a couple "New" Testament quotes that show who the Almighty considers Christian, and you make up your own mind. (P.S. Let me know when you are ready to convert)
1John 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
1John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.....14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus....22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Now, based on that, who would you consider Christian?
- Anonymous1 decade ago
I don't even care anymore if people think I am a Christian or not. I know and most important of all, God knows what is in my heart.
Besides who wants to be labeled similar to those hypocritical, so-called Christians who bash others faiths/beliefs?? Not I. I'd rather be called LDS or Mormon, a brainwashed cult member, or known to hang out with Atheists, because at least they are not hypocrites.
I may not be "Christian" according to their standards, but Christ is in my heart always.Source(s): << L.D.S.
- 1 decade ago
The truth of the matter is, that saying that ALL mormons and ALL JWs and ALL of anyone in any particular group is or is not a Christian is pure ignorance. Christianity is a personal decision, not a group decision. You cannot join a group and automatically be declared a Christian. To be a Christian, you have to sincerely repent of your sins, ask the Lord to be your personal Lord and Savior and then accept His free gift of Salvation. I am sure that there are Mormons and JWs and other people in groups not usually considered to be Christian that have made Christ their personal Lord and Savior and are therefore saved (Christian). So to answer your question... Mormons and JWs are simply people who have chosen to align themselves with a particular group... now whether or not they are Christians... that is an individual assessment...
By the way, LDS Church means Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints... which is the same as Mormons. However, there is an RLDS, which means Reformed Latter Day Saints... and they claim to be mormons as well, although the LDS do not accept them as such.
Also, in order for a Mormon to be a Christian... there is a pretty good chance that they are only "Mormon" because they're family is, not because they actually believe Mormon doctorines. Same with JWs.