In the movie "The Good Shepard" who killed the black fiance (CIA or KGB) and why?

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  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago
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    Wilson is told to interview Valentin Mironov, a Russian requesting asylum and claiming to be a high-ranking official who knows Ulysses. While attending a theatre with Mironov and Cummings, Wilson encounters his old sweetheart Laura. Wilson and Laura go to a restaurant after the show and they catch up on old times before having sex at Laura's house.

    While Wilson is at a Skull and Bones dinner, Margaret anonymously receives photos of Laura and Wilson getting into a taxi and kissing before going back to Laura's house. She interrupts the dinner, throwing the pictures at him. Wilson later breaks up with Laura by sending a messenger to return a jewelled crucifix of hers which he'd kept from when they were college sweethearts.

    Wilson gets a call from a Soviet defector (Mark Ivanir) stating that he is the real Valentin Mironov and the person who they know as Valentin is a fake: his real name is Yuri Modin, a KGB operative working for Ulysses. Wilson does not believe him, and his men torture the Russian in an attempt to find out his true identity. The defector does not change his story, even enduring a form of waterboarding. Eventually, he is administered liquid LSD which causes him to behave erratically but he hangs on to his identity solidly; he shouts that he is Valentin Mironov and commits suicide by jumping through a glass window. This refers to[citation needed] an actual event where a US Army scientist (Frank Olson) died in a similar way, allegedly as a result of unwitting participation in CIA-conducted LSD experiments called MKULTRA. The first man claiming to be Mironov, who witnessed the ordeal behind a mirror with Edward, tells Edward he will take the LSD to prove his innocence.

    Wilson visits his son, Edward Wilson, Jr., at Yale, where he has also joined the Skull and Bones society and is approached for recruitment by the CIA. Margaret (Clover) tries to convince Edward to talk their son out of joining, but Edward Jr. signs up anyway, to become closer to his distant father. This causes a further rift between Wilson and his wife, and she eventually moves to Arizona to live with her mother. Later, Wilson discusses the upcoming Bay of Pigs invasion with Hayes. Edward, Jr., overhears the discussion and a reference to "Bahía de Cochinos," Spanish for "Bay of Pigs." Edward Sr. realizes Edward Jr. may have overheard their discussion and tells him that he cannot repeat what he overheard to anyone.

    Time passes and the Bay of Pigs invasion fails. The CIA thoroughly analyses the photograph (which depicts a Caucasian man and a woman of color making love) and the tape (which has been edited) that had been dropped off anonymously at Wilson's house early in the movie. From clues such as the brand of the ceiling fan, the church bells outside, and the sounds on the tape, they deduce that the photograph might have been taken in Leopoldville, Congo. Wilson goes to the Congo, finds the room, and realizes that the photograph and tape are of his son Edward, Jr. as shown by the ship in a glass watch casing which is sitting on the nightstand of the room; it was blurred in the photo, and the one object the CIA team could not recognize. Ulysses has apparently been awaiting Wilson's arrival. He plays an unedited recording, which reveals that Edward, Jr. repeated "Bahía de Cochinos," the classified information he heard from his father, to his lover---a Soviet spy. It is that information that led to the Cubans' and Soviets' knowledge regarding the CIA landing at the Bay of Pigs. Ulysses reveals that the woman is a Soviet spy who has truly fallen in love with Edward, Jr. Ulysses encourages Wilson to protect his son by spying for the Soviets in return. Wilson is non-committal; he confronts his son, who says that he is in love with the woman and plans to marry her. Wilson tells him she is a spy, but his son won't believe it.

    Wilson exposes Valentin as a Soviet spy after finding evidence in the binding of the book Ulysses: a passport and an escape plan. This also exposes Arch Cummings as a co-conspirator, since in an earlier scene, Cummings gave the book to Valentin as a seemingly benign, clever gift playing on Valentin's knowledge of Ulysses, the Soviet spy. Arch Cummings has now fled to the USSR. After this, Wilson declines to run counter-intelligence for the Soviets. Ulysses notes of Wilson's son's fiancée: "neither of us can be sure about her", and asks whether "you want her to be part of your family". Edward does not respond. Ulysses makes reference to a future favor, having placed Edwards in a compromising position. Afterwards, Ulysses' aide asks for change to purchase a souvenir for his daughter. Wilson asks how much it is, and upon hearing it is a dollar, hands him a one dollar note saying that a cardinal rule of democracy is generosity. This appears to refer to a scene at the very beginning of the film, where a young boy on a bus asks Wilson for change for a dollar -- when Wilson gets back to his office, he matches the serial number on the bill to a CIA asset codenamed "CARDINAL". So Wilson is infact returning the "marked" dollar to the asset, which is Ulysses' aide.

    Edward, Jr.'s fiancée boards a small plane, and in mid-flight, she is thrown out of the plane by the co-pilot. When she doesn't show up at the wedding ceremony, Wilson informs his son. Edward Jr. tearfully asks if he had anything to do with the death, to which Wilson says no. Edward Jr. reveals that his fiancée was pregnant; the news shocks and saddens Wilson.

    Upon returning home, Edward finally reads his father Thomas' suicide note. His father's words reveal that he had betrayed his country. He had left words of love for his wife and son Edward, particularly urging his son to be a good man and live a life of decency and truth. Wilson burns the note.

    The film ends with Allen's resignation as CIA director under a cloud of financial improprieties, and Edward entering his new office, a special wing built at CIA headquarters where he will be the first head of counter-intelligence, working for his fellow Skull and Bones classmate, Hayes (loosely based on Richard Helms), who will be the new CIA director.

  • 5 years ago

    This was a very well done film. Very revealing of the truth about how things really are. Valentin Mironov s character said that Russia s war machine was a rusted old relic and no threat to the USA but that the industrial Military complex needed the illusion of a formidable foe to keep their cash cow producing milk. You may reference this to Eisenhower s final farewell speech which you can find on youtube.

    The quote of Ulysses in the end saying that , "enemies can be friends and fiends enemies." suggests that both are on the same team. You can reference this to Anthony Sutton s works establishing in detail (who, when and how) the sale of our arms secrets to the Soviets immediately following WWII. This of course was done through the channels of the Military Industrial Complex who stood to profit from the expanse of a cold war and the arms race.

    So what we see in this movie is a revelation and confirmation of the false illusion of the Superpowers cold war. It seems that the American s (Wilson) had no idea about this and that Ulysses is always hinting to give Wilson clues. Interestingly, Robert Dinero s character also made reference to his doubts when forming the CIA that unsupervised by the people, it would fall prey to powers like the Military Industrial Complex. This is why the reference is made over and over that the Skull and Bones /CIA is above God or simply on par with God to bring it home.

    The title of the film originates with a biblical reference to Jesus Christ, the Good Shepherd. Who was the good shepherd in the film? Most certainly not Edward Wlison because he failed to become the man his father hoped he would be. Are they saying that it is Ulysses? The film does indicate that he knows more than Wilson and appears to have gotten over on Wilson for sure. Ulysses in the mythological story should reveal that answer. I assuming it will be an Antichrist archetype in the end.

    And so we are left with the unseen hand guiding the nations! If you don t know who that might be, look a little harder and watch the credits. It s related to the Star of David to be sure.

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  • Anonymous
    5 years ago

    She was an asset to the Soviets in Africa and at the beginning she is the voice you hear on the tape recording talking to CIA senior Edward Wilson s (Matt Damon) son who fell victim to some sort of honey trap. They had sex and she starts asking questions and in love stupor he blurts out everything he heard from his CIA dad in his phone conversations. However both eventually fell in love (which the movie implicated that they re humans after all) if I remember correctly both the CIA and KGB agreed to let them be free and live out their lives, but the KGB decided they can t afford losing her to marriage and start talking to the Americans like CIA senior s son did so they got rid of her instead.

    Poor girl thought that was the best day of her life off to getting married instead she was thrown off the airplane half-way still wearing her wedding gown. Very sad scene!

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  • 4 years ago

    There is no way to know who ordered the assassination of Edward Jr s fiance, but that is kind of the point of the movie. The fact that by the end of the movie Edward Sr. has morphed into a man who the audience can believe *might* have had his son s fiance killed, a man who started as a patriotic poet and evolved into a man shrouded in dark secrets, is there to highlight how deep the cost of being in that world was to the people who founded the storied organization.

  • Anonymous
    4 years ago

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  • 4 years ago

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  • 1 decade ago

    I believe it was the KGB. Wilson called the KGB's bluff and KGB decided it was too much a security risk.

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    5 years ago

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    Its not really racism... Its just black men and their egos. They basically think they're hot sh*t. They're just hating ignore them. PLUS they're really hypocritiacal cuz they make its only okay for them to walk around with somebody from a different race and nobody else.

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