Do YOU recognize Taiwan as an independent country?
The U.S. government does not recognize Taiwan as an independent country.
Yes or no and why?
- 1 decade agoFavorite Answer
If it walks like a duck
and it quacks like a duck
then it is a duck, right?
Taiwan seems to meet all the criteria for a country:
A permanent population, Territory, its own currency, postal service, military, etc.
If only it were that simple....
I would LOVE to see Taiwan recognized as an independent country.
People are rooting for Taiwan and can't see why everybody seems to be ganging up on this underdog. Taiwan is constantly humiliated and shut out of the international community.
But if you understand the relevant laws, then you would see that, unless some changes are made to the government there, then it can never be a normalized independent country. Here's why:
The government which is running Taiwan is called the Republic of China, or ROC for short. It has democratized but it is still the same government.
Taiwan ( then known as Formosa) was legal and internationally recognized Japanese territory since 1895, when it was ceded by China. China had only made it a province of China ten years before, in 1885.
When WW2 ended, in 1945, Taiwan was still Japanese territory. The US instructed Generalissimo Chiang Kai Shek of the ROC to receive the surrender of the Japanese troops on Formosa. The US was the conquerer and the primary occupier. The ROC was the subordinate occupier. The ROC moved right in and acted like they owned the place. They lost no time in showing just how brutal, corrupt and inept they were. They proceeded to steal everything that wasn't nailed down. They forced all the Taiwanese people to become ROC citizens en masse, which is a war crime. These citizenships are invalid. The people of occupied territories have certain rights under international law and the Geneva convention. But for war crimes, they were just getting warmed up. They followed in 1947 with the 2-28 massacre in which they killed just about anyone who could be a threat to their power. As many as 30,000 unarmed people were gunned down by the ROC troops. This was followed by martial law and the white terror. Taiwanese abroad were not safe either. Even some university students were actually ROC spies who reported back on any Taiwan independence activities on American campuses. The present KMT candidate for the upcoming presidential elections, Ma, Ying-Jiou was one of these. Routinely Taiwanese were murdered by ROC secret police on US soil. A famous book was written by the naval attache, George H. Kerr, exposing the evils of the ROC regime and the events of the 2-28 massacre. After the first printing in 1965, the ROC promptly bought the copyright and it has been out of print since. It can be seen online in its entirety http://www.romanization.com/books/formosabetrayed/...
The only document with force of law regarding territorial sovereignty is a signed and ratified treaty. Let's examine the relevant treaty to Taiwan sovereignty: Japan ceded Taiwan in the San Francisco Peace Treaty in 1951 (to take effect in 1952). No receiving government was named. This was entirely intentional. Neither the ROC, nor the PRC were invited to the proceedings.The US didn't want Taiwan for itself for fear of being branded imperialist. The ROC were good lobbyists. The Chiangs were christians and were the darlings of the religious right in America so there was signifigant political pressure for the US to "return" Taiwan to the ROC (no one seemed to care about the rights of the Taiwanese-but then all the leaders and intellectuals who might have lobbied in the US for Taiwanese rights were now either dead or rotting away in ROC prisons). The US didn't want to give it to the ROC (as originally intended) since the ROC had already lost the civil war in China. And they sure as hell weren't going to give something as strategically important as Taiwan to the communists. Therefore starting in 1952, Taiwan has been a cession whose status is undetermined. Its sovereignty is still held in trust by the principal occupier named in the treaty , which is the USA. Untill there is a new treaty to supplant it, the Taiwan cession is in interim status to this day.
Taiwan is not legitimate ROC territory. They don't even say that themselves in their own constitution! The only ROC territory under their control are the islands of Kinmen and Matsu of Fujian Province, China. The rest of China is under PRC control.
Taiwan is a cession under US trusteeship. the PRC can bluster all they want, they've got no case at all.
The ROC is illegitimate. It is nothing more than a government in exile of CHINA which should have disappeared in 1949. The people of Taiwan are not legitimate ROC citizens.
The ROC only seems to have a territory.
The ROC only seems to have a permanent population.
It has neither.
Until the ROC is dissolved and a government of Taiwan is formed, then Taiwan cannot be an independent country. The worst thing is, the Taiwanese people have been brainwashed by the ROC government since childhood to be unaware of their own history and their rights. Since they are so unaware, they can't possibly take the correct course of action to save themselves.
The USA is responsible for the Taiwan cession but for political expediency it is sweeping it under the rug.
The Taiwanese have suffered all these 62 years because of Americas irresponsibility. SHAME ON YOU!
Taiwan deserves a chance. Taiwan should have been independent in the 1940's
- old-bald-oneLv 51 decade ago
do you want to start world war three? The one hot button China has is Taiwan. China considers Taiwan as still part of China. If it declares it's Independence China will invade. The U.S. would have to honor it's treaty and WW3 would be on. China will wait as long as Taiwan keeps the status quo. So while the reality might be that Taiwan is independent it just can't say so.
- skip742Lv 61 decade ago
Well, it has operated as an independent country as long as I've been alive, and that's a long time.
I think the only reason they aren't recognized as independent has to do with political reasons. Right now, nobody wants to anger Mainland China.
But I think, if you polled the people of America, probably 90% would say it was obvious that Taiwan is an independent country. Sometimes it takes a while for politics to catch up to reality.
- Anonymous1 decade ago
I do. So does the U.S., but not formally. There are diplomatic issues and trade, but when Taiwan needs help, our administrations threaten to move an aircraft carrier group into the region and China cools off a bit, even the President of Taiwan routinely gets snubbed.
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- 1 decade ago
Taiwan is not an independent country. The historical and legal background is as follows.
Taiwan had been ceded to Japan in 1895. Following the 1895 Treaty of Shimonoseki, Japan exercised sovereignty over Taiwan and held title to its territory.
After Pearl Harbor, the US Congress declared war against Japan on Dec. 8, 1941. All military attacks against the four main Japanese islands and Japanese Taiwan were conducted by United States military forces, so it can be held that the United States is the "conqueror" of Japan and her overseas territories. In other words, the United States has "acquired" these areas under the principle of conquest, and the disposition thereof must be conducted according to the laws of war.
General Order No. 1 was issued on Sept. 2, 1945. President Harry Truman approved this Order before its promulgation, the United States is the "conqueror" of Japan and her overseas territories, and General MacArthur is the head of the United States military forces. Hence the strongest presumption would be that United States is the principal occupying power. Importantly, Article 23 of the San Francisco Peace Treaty (SFPT) fully confirms this.
Although the October 25, 1945, Japanese surrender ceremonies in Taiwan were ostensibly conducted on behalf of the Allies, the ensuing military occupation of Taiwan is being conducted on behalf of the "principal occupying power," which is the United States. Military occupation is conducted under military government. Under the SFPT, Republic of China (ROC) troops in Taiwan are considered a subordinate occupying power. This is "agency." Oct. 25, 1945 marks the beginning of the military occupation of Taiwan. USMG is the principal. The ROC troops are the agent.
There has been no change in this status to date. Taiwan remains as occupied territory of the United States of America. The ROC on Taiwan is (1) a subordinate occupying power, beginning Oct. 25, 1945, and (2) a government in exile, beginning mid-December 1949. The ROC exercises effective territorial control over Taiwan, but not sovereignty.
On Oct. 25, 2004, Secretary of State Powell said: "Taiwan is not independent. It does not enjoy sovereignty as a nation."
Under United States laws, "Taiwan" is a sub-sovereign entity, and the nomenclature of "Republic of China" is not recognized after Jan. 1, 1979. According to the post-war peace treaties, there has been no transfer of the territorial sovereignty of Taiwan to either the Republic of China or the Taiwan governing authorities.
Also it is significant to note that Secretary Powell was a military man, and he understands military occupation. As explained above, Taiwan is occupied territory of the United States of America. Importantly, after the peace treaty cession from Japan there are numerous US constitutional rights associated with that status. .
The Taiwanese government officials often say that the Taiwanese people enjoy popular sovereignty, but in international law the notion of popular sovereignty mainly revolves around the fact that the local people have the right to elect their own representatives to the government.
If we examine the subject of territorial cession from the 1700's to the present, it is clear that territorial cession is an action between governments, and territorial sovereignty is owned by a government. In Secretary Powell's remarks, obviously he was speaking of "territorial sovereignty." The government in Taiwan does not have territorial sovereignty over the areas of Formosa and the Pescadores. In other words, the government in Taiwan does not have "territorial title" to the areas of Formosa and the Pescadores, and hence does not meet the criteria for "statehood" necessary to enter the United Nations.Source(s): http://www.taiwankey.net/dc/viewpoint.htm
- Anonymous1 decade ago
Yes, it is suppose to be an independent country protected by the U.S. But we will not (or cannot) guarantee its sovereignty if it means a war with China.
- 5 years ago
- 1 decade ago
Yes, because thats all Ive known it as. It just seems like its own country to me, it has an independant economy thats doing very well on its own.
- Anonymous1 decade ago
taiwan is a territory of china. the governing body of the chinese people that live there consider it independent in much the same way some american territories think of themselves as sovereign.
- Anonymous1 decade ago