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Anonymous asked in Society & CultureReligion & Spirituality · 1 decade ago

Non-Muslims. Have you ever met a Muslim who knew what the phrase "out of context" meant?

"OUT OF CONTEXT!"

Oh weve heard the braindead apologists for the super violent Quran use this phrase a thosand times. Ive never met one that even understood the meaning of the expression.

First, it is "out of context" to use the phrase without explaining what exactly is the context! The Quran itself has no context...that is...there is no introduction that explains how the chapters relate or whether they were only meant to be a historical chronolgy instead of a present tense commandement.

The only context one can use is the chapter itself. Consider this verse (aya):

Quran 9:29 “fight (jihad) those who believe not in allah” http://cwis.usc.edu/dept/msa/quran/009.qmt.html

This little gem comes from (Surah At Tawba) uses present tense language. Pagans are discussed in the beggining, but Christians and Jews are later included. The whole chapter is pure violence. There is no redeeming peace anywhere, and no past tense language...this is meant to be obeyed NOW as a commandment.

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  • 1 decade ago
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    Yes, I know the Koran can only be understood in its historical context. One Sura does not necessarily cover one and the same time period. The Qur''an as first assembled was a mess. It was out of order, jumbled together, contradictory, and inaccurate. There isn't even a letter or a historical reference from any of the literate nations conquered by the first Muslim warriors to suggest that the Qur''an existed.

    One part of the Quran was written in Mecca and the other part in Medina. The part that was written in Mecca contains all the “nice” verses. The violent and harsh verses are all to be found in the second part or the “later revelation”.The Meccan Suras are softer and those of the “later revelation” are violent, brutal, cruel, and inhumane. The later revelation abrogates most of the more pleasant teachings of the early revelation.

    Dr. Muhsin. Khan the translator of Sahih Bukhari and the Quran into English wrote:

    "Allah revealed in Sura Bara'at (Repentance, IX) [the order to discard (all) obligations (covenants, etc), and commanded the Muslims to fight against all the Pagans as well as against the people of the Scriptures (Jews and Christians) if they do not embrace Islam, till they pay the Jizia (a tax levied on the Jews and Christians) with willing submission and feel themselves subdued (as it is revealed in 9:29). So the Muslims were not permitted to abandon "the fighting" against them (Pagans, Jews and Christians) and to reconcile with them and to suspend hostilities against them for an unlimited period while they are STRONG and have the ability to fight against them. So at first "the fighting" was forbidden, then it was permitted, and after that it was made obligatory "[Introduction to English translation of Sahih Bukhari, p.xxiv.]

    Actually prior to Islam there were no religious hostilities among the Arabs that comprised idolaters, Jews and Christians. Most of the early believers disliked fighting. The Prophet had to coax them with the following verse:

    “Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you”? (Q.2:216).

    But when this did not work he coerced them with the following:

    “Unless ye go forth, He (Allah) will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place”? (Q.9:39).

  • Akilah
    Lv 4
    4 years ago

    Those who know the truth knows 'Sheikh Mohammed Bin Abdul Wahhab' was no more than a scholar and also a reformer like the many in the Islamic history. The British used the term 'Wahhabi' to scare Muslims of the true teachings of Islam and later some amongst Muslims also made it a label to distinguish one another. So far no office or people in the name of 'Wahhabi' is found anywhere. Just a label that's uttered by those creating Fitna.

  • je
    Lv 6
    1 decade ago

    Oh, did I miss something or have you learned how to read and speak Arabic? I think not...so, how do you know what your quoting you don't. Your only using interpretations of the Quran....The Quran is the greatest literary work in Arabic ever. There has been no one who has been able to produce similar works. What is "aya" by the way? Jihad does not mean fight......

    USC translation of the Quran lol where is USC recognized as a legitimate school of Islam....Not in the Middle East, not in any Islamic country.. USC has their own political agenda...Why do you not quote from The Islamic Research Academy in Egypt? Or some other Academy or University which knows the Quran..

    Also, The Quran tells the earth is not flat. That everything is made with water. That the moon does not make light but reflects. among many other things. Do you see any other work 1400 years ago which spoke anything like this? You just have a clouded mind. Clouded by the propaganda that you hear on TV...turn off CNN turn off Fox, pick up a book and read it open minded..

  • 1 decade ago

    I understand your frustration; I've seen it quite a bit on the ol' internet.

    Having read a good part of the Qur'an, it would certainly seem that most of it is really just disjointed poetry, often-times almost just entire chapters of non-sequiturs strung together haphazardly.

    However, I do believe that Muslims assign a back-story to the verses.

    For instance, imagine if we separated the Bible into a book of Jesus' sayings and a book of the narrative elements. Well, without the narrative element to tell you what the scenario is, you can take a whole lot of verses out of their intended meaning (and people do that anyway even with the context of the verses of the Bible). So, when they say that he said to slaughter such and such, they say that it was intended for a specific incident, and you'd have to turn to the hadith for the answer.

    It's a reasonable defense, but it's one that lends more credence to the idea of a Mad Poet Muhammad rather than a Prophet. From my study of the whole thing, it seems more like they've wrenched scripture and deeds so far out of their reality to make Muhammad into the Prophet that they'd wanted- a little ironic, given their common accusation of Christians wrenching scripture to turn Jesus into God.

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  • Anonymous
    5 years ago

    NOTE THAT unlike the Bible, Quran focused on a plain Arabic text only. It had no concept about context. That's why all Quran verses were disjointed, jumped up and down like monkey dancinng in jungle.

  • 1 decade ago

    You people cannot just extract a verse and interpret it out of context.Every verse is relate to a story at that time for us to learn.You people who are interested or wanna condemn Islam must learn to see it in a big picture.Unfortunately not only the non-muslim but also some muslim extract a verse out of context to support their inhumane/violent act.Some Muslim with little knowledge in the religion are also being brainwashed by some fellow Muslims to support their violent act which is not the teaching of Islam.So moral of the story is that you must see the big picture!!!!Every religion teaches us good!!Learn the religion before condemning it.If unsure ask politely but not sarcastically!!!!Do remember the history of King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella who force non-Christians (starting from the Jews) to convert or banish from Spain or be killed.Many Jews fled and are welcome in Muslim countries then.Thats not the teaching of Christian rite?!?!

  • There is much context to these verses. If one takes the whole Surat and looks it over they would realize that fighting is only allowed in defense and to fight oppression and injustice. The part of the verse you quoted goes like this in its entirety...

    "Fight against those who believe not in Allah, nor in the Last Day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (Islam) from the People of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

    -Surat At-Taubah, Ayat 29

    This verse is revealed about governing the Islamic state... and says that if the people do not pay their taxes (Jizyah) then fight them until they do. Allah (God) knows best! But as you so aptly proved, taken out of context it would appear that it meant for Muslims to simply fight those who do not believe in Allah. I guess at least one Muslim understands context. All praise and glory is to Allah (God).

  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    "fight those who believe not in Allah"

    MEANS do not follow there ways, resist following there behavior and beliefs (ie fight the temptation) not give him two slaps and a knife to the stomach. Is that CONTEXT enough for you?????

    You are the one taking the verse out of context, how ironic!

  • 1 decade ago

    I can point out from the bible 5000 "Kill" and 8962 "Slain".. Can i say the bible orders it's followers to "kill and slain"? I can point from your memories 1000000 "I'll kill" said by your Dad.. Kill waht? a mosquito? kill you for not doing homework? No one will know.. I'll only choose the word and say: "Look, Vlads Dad was a murderer!"

    This isn't clever anymore.... It only reflects stupidity and narrow mindedness of the hearer.

    I hope you now knew what's the meaning of "out of context".

    People who died because of Muslim estremists since Islam was born till today are less than 1/10 of those who died by Harry Truman's Decision of the atomic bomb in Japan...

    You're a parrot man, My friend...

    a man made by the media who creates his culture, ideology, life, then kills him, because he's actually, no body!

  • 1 decade ago

    Good question!, I have never read it, will not want to,

    And I believe that many of those gems, were also misinterperted, to fit their needs for violence, by their leaders!.

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