who officially seperated state from church?

seperation of state & church. a sweet jargon but horrible consequences. who on earth came up of this idea? when? what country?

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  • 1 decade ago
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    The Supreme Court did in 1947.

    During the 1870s, 1880s, and 1890s, yet another group which challenged specific Christian principles in government arrived before the Supreme Court. Jefferson’s letter had remained unused for years, for as time had progressed after its use in 1802—and after no national denomination had been established—his letter had fallen into obscurity. But now—75 years later—in the case Reynolds v. United States, the plaintiffs resurrected Jefferson’s letter, hope to use it to their advantage.

    In that case, the Court printed an lengthy segment of Jefferson’s letter and then used his letter on "separation of church and state" to again prove that it was permissible to maintain Christian values, principles, and practices in official policy. For the next 15 years during that legal controversy, the Supreme Court utilized Jefferson’s letter to ensure that Christian principles remained a part of government.

    Following this controversy, Jefferson’s letter again fell into disuse. It then remained silent for the next 70 years until 1947, when, in Everson v. Board of Education, the Court, for the first time, did not cite Jefferson’s entire letter, but selected only eight words from it. The Court now announced:

    "The First Amendment has erected ‘a wall of separation between church and state.’ That wall must be kept high and impregnable."

    This was a new philosophy for the Court. Why would the Court take Jefferson’s letter completely out of context and cite only eight of its words? Dr. William James, the Father of modern Psychology—and a strong opponent of religious principles in government and education—perhaps explained the Court’s new strategy when he stated:

    "There is nothing so absurd but if you repeat it often enough people will believe it."

    This statement precisely describes the tact utilized by the Court in the years following its 1947 announcement. The Court began regularly to speak of a "separation of church and state," broadly explaining that, "This is what the Founders wanted—separation of church and state. This is their great intent." The Court failed to quote the Founders; it just generically asserted that this is what the Founders wanted.

    The courts continued on this track so steadily that, in 1958, in a case called Baer v. Kolmorgen, one of the judges was tired of hearing the phrase and wrote a dissent warning that if the court did not stop talking about the "separation of church and state," people were going to start thinking it was part of the Constitution. That warning was in 1958!

    Nevertheless, the Court continued to talk about separation until June 25th, 1962, when, in the case Engle v. Vitale, the Court delivered the first ever ruling which completely separated Christian principles from education.

    Secular Humanism

    With that case, a whole new trend was established and secular humanism became the religion of America. In 1992 the Supreme Court stated the unthinkable. "At the heart of liberty is the right to define one’s own concept of existence, of meaning, of the universe, and of the mystery of human life. In 1997, 40 prominent Catholic and Protestant scholars wrote a position paper entitled, "We Hold These Truths," in which they stated, "This is the very antithesis of the ordered liberty affirmed by the Founders. Liberty in this debased sense is utterly disengaged from the concept of responsibility and community and is pitted against the ‘laws of nature and the laws of nature’s God. Such liberty degenerates into license and throws into question the very possibility of the rule of law itself.

  • 1 decade ago

    I believe the church needs a spot in the state, and in the government. America was founded by the church, for religious reason. Back then everything the government did was based on god. Even with out the church forcing it upon the people. America was founded by better people then the ones who are running it now. I am not saying we need the church to control or every move, but we do need god.

    The only reason I can see for separating church from state was to prevent offending some one from another religion. So great we are political correct and going to hell in a hand basket

  • wgr88
    Lv 6
    1 decade ago

    Hello and perhaps i misunderstand here, "horrible consequences"? I trust the behind it all was a act of God when any church gets a hold of power from the state, that is the government it ALWAYS leads to the persecution of those whos faith is not in line with the church's state religion, in the past millions were sent to prison and there death for standing up to the established church and because folks did not want to give up Jesus and The Holy Bible as a standard of there faith they sealed there beliefs in there own blood, NO i agree state and church should be forever apart. God bless and i trust we can disagree without being disagreeable. www.amazingfacts.org

  • The Government, By the People who voted the wrong way! When the Issue came up In The US there was a lot of Issue's Dealing with who could get away with what crime, Who believed In what? Who believed In ?who could do the best ?on whatever came up, depending on the what "Situation" was, about what, when, where, and how and why, due to The Fact:People not either caring to vote, and /or who was running for which Office, and Government we no longer have The right to Prayer in School, or talk About God In Schools, now look at what we have to deal with? If it is to be Fixed, Than Vote it Out of Office, Or The people who Did it, This is My 2 cents, Rev.Karen

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  • 1 decade ago

    I believe it was Thomas Jefferson that proposed the idea (He was an atheist by the way.) The rest of them thought it was a good idea. Smart guys I think. If you are going to combine church with state, which church do you use? I think Buddhism is close to getting the right idea. But you probably think that this country was founded on Christianity. Not so. They set up the whole freedom of religion because the founders of this great country could see the benefit in respect of different religions. Why can't most Americans see that today?

  • 1 decade ago

    Render unto Caeser. Imagine the consequences of an Islamic state. I'm a bible-believing very happy with separation of church and state, the freedom we have. I'd like the freedom to pray in public schools and teach the Word of God, but it shouldn't be forced on anyone as the Muslims believe the Quran should be enforced.

  • 1 decade ago

    I do believe it is in the U.S. Bill of Rights first amendment.

    "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

    It doesn't actually say "separation of church and state"; however, the implication is there. You can't be any clearer than saying there won't be any laws concerning religion or the practice of it. Personally, I'm very happy we have it because I wouldn't want to be forced to worship a certain way.

  • Par 4
    Lv 7
    1 decade ago

    In America, the founding fathers seperated church from state. They were theirselves escaping religious persecution as all the pilgrims were prostetants and the "official" religion of Britian at the time was catholic. When they finally got around to rebeling and such, it was Washington, Franklin, Adams and all the other founding fathers who decided that. I dont know about other countries.

  • 1 decade ago

    God set His kingdom up separate and apart from man made states. It was the Roman Cesar Constantine that created the church-state and began mixing in pagan worship to God's righteous way. That is why Jesus said in John 18 and verse 36 that His kingdom is not of this world.

  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    This came about by the original settlers and pilgrims from Europe who were told that they must belong and worship at one church which was chosen by the government. They wanted to believe their own way.

    If we ruled this way and you were told you had to worship at their choice of church and it was not your choice I suspect you wouldn't like it much. It is a good law and there for a good reason.

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