ACLU making waves in PA town over illegal immigration laws?

Here is a note about this all fiasco.

ACLU stands for American Civil Liberties Union ... how do our laws and civil rights and liberties apply to NON American.

What does the ACLU consider is the meaning of the word "illigal" ... The ACLU is destroying this nation with its over the top concerns ... I'd like to see them take care of US citizens and their needs and rights.


Coragryph is right and wrong. Legally and based on the law He is right ... basedon common sense it makes none. This is our biggest problem with our laws and our lawyers ... laws are to be interpreted based on their logic and common sense unfortunately loopholes are being used everyday by staging that the laws verbage is fixed and cannot be manipulate. Imagine a rapst / murdered can still today walk away without charges if the officer who arrested him forgot one single piece of the miranda right .. Now i agree with rights for everyone but exeptions should be made when circumstances requires it. In this case illegals are simply NOT SUPPOSED TO BE IN THIS COUNTRY. as so they should be considered persona non grata which by so forbides them to be covered by our laws. ANY illegal caught should be deported, no need for trial, waste of money and time. Unless you can prove your legality with a valid SS or work permit you do not exist.

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  • 1 decade ago
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    Tuesday, May 2, 2006Mexican Immigration Laws I just cannot believe that illegal people even think they have rights to

    oppose our government, to rally against us, or to demonstrate in public

    their outcry for their needed justice. This just is not done, because

    they are not citizens here. Now why isn't someone arresting

    them right there on the spot as the illegals gather illegally? They

    have made themselves known, as well as those who have aided them.


    Mexico's Immigration By-Laws that regulate your admission and departure

    from Mexico:

    Mexico's General Law of Population sets out the rights and obligations

    of foreigners, as well as the different statuses associated with

    foreign immigration:



    Mexico has a radical idea for a rational immigration policy that most

    Americans would love.

    ...Mexico, which annually deports more illegal aliens than the United

    States does, has much to teach us about how to handle immigration;

    under Mexican law, it is a felony to be an illegal alien. As the

    Supreme Court and politicians seek to bring U.S. law in line with

    foreign legal norms, it's noteworthy that no one has argued that the

    United States look at what Mexico might teach us about how to solve our

    illegal-immigration problem. Mexico has a single, streamlined law,

    seeking to ensure that foreign visitors and immigrants are: _ In the

    country legally. _ Have the means to sustain themselves economically. _

    Not destined to be burdens on society. _ Of economic and social benefit

    to society. _ Of good character, with no criminal record. The law also

    seeks to ensure that: _ Immigration authorities have a record of each

    foreign visitor. _ Foreign visitors do not violate their visa status. _

    Foreign visitors are banned from interfering in the country's internal

    politics. _ Foreign visitors who enter under false pretenses are

    imprisoned or deported. _ Foreign visitors violating terms of their

    entry are imprisoned or deported. _ Anyone who aids in illegal

    immigration is imprisoned. Who could disagree with such a law? The

    Mexican constitution strictly defines the rights of citizens, and the

    denial of many rights to non-citizens. The General Law on Population,

    spelling out the country's immigration policy, should cause Americans

    to ask: Why is our southern neighbor pushing us to water down our

    immigration laws and policies when its own immigration restrictions are

    the toughest on the continent? If a felony is a crime punishable by more

    than a year in prison, Mexican law makes it a felony to be an illegal

    alien in Mexico. Yet if the United States adopted such a law, Mexico

    would no doubt denounce it as a manifestation of American bigotry.

    Mexico's main immigration law welcomes only foreigners deemed useful to

    Mexican society: _ Foreigners are admitted into Mexico "according to

    their possibilities of contributing to national progress." (Article 32)

    _ Immigration officials must "ensure (that) immigrants will be useful

    elements for the country and that they have the necessary funds for

    their sustenance" and that of their dependents. (Article 34) _

    Foreigners may be barred from the country if their presence has upset

    "the equilibrium of the national demographics," if they are deemed

    detrimental to "economic or national interests," if they are not good

    citizens in their own country, if they have broken Mexican laws, or if

    "they are not found to be physically or mentally healthy." (Article 37)

    _ The secretary of governance may "suspend or prohibit the admission of

    foreigners when he determines it to be in the national interest."

    (Article 38) Mexican authorities keep track of every person in the

    country: _ Federal, local and municipal police must cooperate with

    federal immigration authorities upon request: i.e., help in the arrest

    of illegal immigrants. (Article 73) _ A National Population Registry

    tracks every "individual who comprises (sic) the population of the

    country," verifying each individual's identity. (Articles 85 and 86) _

    A national Catalogue of Foreigners tracks foreign tourists and

    immigrants (Article 87), assigning each a tracking number. (Article 91)

    Foreigners with fake papers or who enter the country under false

    pretenses may be imprisoned: _ Foreigners with fake immigration papers

    may be fined or imprisoned. (Article 116) _ Foreigners who sign

    government documents "with a signature that is false or different from

    that which he normally uses" are subject to fine and imprisonment.

    (Article 116) Foreigners who fail to obey the rules will be fined,

    deported, and/or imprisoned as felons: _ Foreigners who fail to obey a

    deportation order are to be punished. (Article 117) _ Deported

    foreigners who try to re-enter Mexico without authorization can be

    imprisoned for up to 10 years. (Article 118) _ Foreigners who violate

    terms of their visa may be sentenced for up to six years in prison.

    (Articles 119, 120, and 121) Foreigners who misrepresent the terms of

    their visa (as by working without a permit) can also be imprisoned.

    Under Mexican law, illegal immigration is a felony. The General Law on

    Population says: _ "A penalty of up to two years in prison and a fine

    of 300 to 5,000 pesos will be imposed on the foreigner who enters the

    country illegally." (Article 123) _ Foreigners with immigration

    problems may be deported, rather than imprisoned. (Article 125) _

    Foreigners who "(make attempts) against national sovereignty or

    security" will be deported. (Article 126) Mexicans who help illegal

    aliens enter the country are considered criminals: _ A Mexican who

    marries a foreigner with the sole objective of helping the foreigner

    live in the country is subject to up to five years in prison. (Article

    127) _ Shipping and airline companies that bring undocumented

    foreigners into Mexico will be fined. (Article 132)

    All of the above runs counter to what Mexican leaders are demanding

    of the United States. The stark contrast between Mexico's immigration practices and its American-immigration preachings reveals the Mexican government's agenda: to have a one-way immigration relationship with the United States. Let's call Mexico's bluff on its interference in U.S.

    immigration policy.

    Let us propose, just to make a point, that North

    American Free Trade Agreement member nations standardize their

    immigration laws by using Mexico's law as a model.

    (J. Michael Waller is a professor of international communication at the

    Institute of World Politics in Washington.)

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    Fair and consistant imagrationIt would only be fair and understanding to adopt Mexico's policy on imigration. Keeping things similar would make it easier for everyone to know and understand the laws and rules.Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 02:52 PM

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  • 1 decade ago

    Our rules and our Constitution are the laws of the land, and most apply to all under our jurisdiction, citizen or not.

    Fozzie, please explain how an independent, not for profit organization gets magically paid for by your tax dollars. The ACLU is not a government entity.

    Edit: Also for Fozzie - "When is the last time the ACLU fought for a male, white, heterosexual, American citizen? If they ever have, I'm sure the cases are few and far between."

    The ACLU has fought for the right of the Klan to march and voice their opinions. Ollie North had his conviction overturned because the ACLU took up his cause. The ACLU backed Rush Limbaugh trying to protect his medical records. The ACLU has been for students being allowed to pray in the schools, and has fought overzealous administrators who have tried to quash that right, just as they have fought against overzealous administrators who sought to organize and impose religion on the student body at large. If you're going to criticize an organization for their actions, perhaps you should do at least a minimum amount of effort towards having an informed opinion, instead of puking out whatever ignorant talking point you get fed by inflammatory radio talking heads.

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  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    This great organization has been protecting YOUR rights for over 100 years.

    If it weren't for them, you would not get equal pay for equal work, wouldn't be able to get car insurance if you were a single woman, could be denied a job if you had a handicap, could be fired when you filed a complaint against your boss for sexual harassment. There would be no handicapped parking spaces, accessible sidewalks, stores and public places. There would be no Miranda Rights to protect you from illegal arrests....

    If you took the time to read about the ACLU - and what it has would thank your lucky stars that it stands between you and the government, you and your employer.....

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    1 decade ago

    I'm going to go out on a limb here, and probably tick off some Conservatives...

    But on this issue, the ACLU is not wrong. The Fed pre-empted the issue of illegal immigration, and it is a federal matter.

    When the Fed pre-empts an area of legislation, the State and municipality cannot have laws which are stricter.

    It is the Fed which needs to get on the stick, here.

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  • 1 decade ago

    The Constitution of the United States of America states the following...


    Passed by Congress June 13, 1866. Ratified July 9, 1868.

    Note: Article I, section 2, of the Constitution was modified by section 2 of the 14th amendment.

    Section 1.

    All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

    I don't see anything in there about illegal aliens....DO YOU?!

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  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    people think we should grant green cards, amnesty, or citizenship to illegals. the ones born here have citizenship and some feel they have a right to keep their parents/family with them

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  • 1 decade ago

    Don't be fooled by names and labels. After all Cindy Sheehan claimes to be a patriot and love this country. The ACLU has worked for decades to undermine the rights of the individual to the advancement of groups. I am glad you see them for what they are

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  • 1 decade ago

    They apply because the Constitution prohibits the government from doing certain things. That's the way the Constitution is written -- as limitations on government action ("Congress shall pass no law..." etc.). Read the text.

    Also, federal law prohibits states (or towns) from enforcing immigration laws. So, by trying to do so, Hazelton is breaking federal law. That's what the lawsuit is about.

    It's amazing to me that people are so fanatically opposed to illegal immigrants, because they are breaking the law, but seem to have absolutely no problem with cities and states and even the federal government breaking the law at will.

    Either everyone is required to follow the laws, or the concept of the rule of law has lost its meaning. Why is that so difficult for people to understand? Why is it OK for some people to break the law, just because you like what they are doing?

    EDIT to Moltar (below): I didn't miss any part of it. What part of "Hazelton is violating federal law" did you miss?

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  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    I am a liberal, but the ACLU has gone completely wacky with political correctness.

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  • 1 decade ago

    Ah, yes. Our tax dollars at work. We law-abiding, American citizens pay for the stinking ACLU, and the ACLU uses its power to fight against us taxpayers.

    Stop voting for liberals, and you'll put an end to stupidity like the ACLU.

    When is the last time the ACLU fought for a male, white, heterosexual, American citizen? If they ever have, I'm sure the cases are few and far between.


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