If Jesus is YHWH,why does he command Joshua to ethnic cleanse the cana'anites without mercy ?
I don't understand, how come G-d in the old testament loves to punish and curse people and ordered the israelites to kill other races such as the ammelikites
(even King Saul who have mercy upon the ammelekites is said to be codemned by G-d, that's why G-d decided to remove him and replace him with David) while Jesus on the other is way to different than G-d of the old Testament. jesus don't condemened gentile, but G-d of the old testament do. Can anybody explain this ?
yes, you said that jesus your God in the new testament does not condemned gentile. But why he G-d in the old testament did ? He even allowed King Josiah to kill many israelites without mercy. You christians hate voilence and at the same time, the ancient israeilites were voilent for the cause of G-d ? Isn't it like another type of G-had version ?
Saul commit disobidience ? common, he could have done something better. he could have converted the ammelekites to become jews instead and worship the G-d of Israel.
I think Saul is more merciful than G-d of the old tetsament.
- 1 decade agoFavorite Answer
YHWH is not Jesus. He is the One God, Almighty God.
I am thinking you may be Jewish and certainly the teaching of the Trinity would be confusing to you.
Personally I do not believe the Trinity is a Bible teaching....and can prove it, but, back to your question.
Here is a bit of info I have regarding the Amalekites:
THE Amalekites were an ancient group of nomadic marauders. At the time of the exodus of Israel from Egypt, they were centered about Kadesh-barnea in the Negeb desert, south of Palestine. From this center their camps radiated out far and wide into the Sinai peninsula and northern Arabia. Much of the time they lived by plundering their more peaceful neighbors.
Why are the Amalekites of interest to us? Because they were to become chronic enemies of God and his chosen people of that time, ancient Israel. The way God dealt with these Amalekites is of concern to all men and nations, since it provides a pattern for the way He will deal with his enemies today.
The origin of the Amalekites is uncertain. At Genesis 36:12 Amalek is listed as the grandson of Esau. However, some authorities make a distinction between this Amalek from Esau and the Amalekites found in the Negeb and Sinai area, because Genesis 14:7, which predates Esau, refers to “the whole field of the Amalekites.” Also, at Numbers 24:20 the Amalekites are called “the first one of the nations,” which might indicate the existence of another people called Amalekites who lived earlier than the Amalek mentioned as a descendant of Esau. Others consider the distinction of the two Amaleks unnecessary, as they regard these earlier references to be a later editorial description for the benefit of those who would be living when the books of Genesis and Numbers were written.
The first meeting between the Amalekites and Israelites took place soon after the exodus from Egypt, at Rephidim, near Mount Sinai. Here the Amalekites made an unprovoked attack upon Israel, harassing their rear and cutting off the weak and weary. Joshua commanded Israelite forces in the fight, with Moses holding up his rod in the sight of the people to indicate that Jehovah was with them. On that occasion Israel prevailed. The Amalekites were soundly defeated.—Ex. 17:8-13; Deut. 25:17, 18.
Because of their hardened and unreasonable hostility toward God’s people and because they “did not fear God,” the Amalekites came under a permanent ban. Since they worked in opposition to the purposes of the Universal Sovereign, Jehovah, he decreed their utter extermination in time.—Ex. 17:14-16; Num. 24:20; Deut. 25:18, 19; 1 Sam. 15:2, 3.
There was more to that info, but I wanted to keep the size of the post down.
To answer the second half of your question you have to understand that the Mosaic Law that the Israelites were under screened them off from the other nations. Mostly to keep them separate so that the Messianic seed that would be on the way would not be polluted. Much of the emnity between Isreal and the other nations came either from the other nations because of aggression or the gross wickedness that would have endangerd God's people if he let them live.....as you have seen regarding the Amalekites.
Jesus on the other hand is believed to have fulfilled the law as per these two Scriptures:
"He kindly forgave us all our trespasses 14 and blotted out the handwritten document against us, which consisted of decrees and which was in opposition to us; and He has taken it out of the way by nailing it to the torture stake." -Colossians 2:13-14
"For Christ is the end of the Law, so that everyone exercising faith may have righteousness." -Romans 10:4
- J.Lv 71 decade ago
YHWH is the name God gave to Moses. (That is God in English with a vowel).
Joshua (successor to Moses) did exactly what is described in the book of Joshua.
Jesus (Joshua ben Joseph) is a Jew, a Jewish Rabbi, Jewish Messiah, King of the Jews. The key phrase here is Rabbi. I believe this movement began with Hillel and continues to this day. The movement solidified its position after the Second Temple was destroyed in 70 AD.
Jesus only ministers to the Jews. He says nothing about the non Jews. When did God condemn gentiles? There was God, his chosen people, and others. [Do you have a biblical reference?]
Is the God of Moses and the God of Jesus the same God. The answer is yes. Did God change? No. So if God didn't change, then what changed? That what is your answer.Source(s): Christian bible; History of the Jews; Rabbinic Judaism
- Anonymous1 decade ago
This is a shocker isn't it.
The God of the OT was trying to create a people in the midst of an absurdly tangled theological/political mess. The only way to prevent contamination was cleansing. Sadly God's people were not up to the task. (Saul was punished for disobedience and listening to the people rather than the prophet Saul.)
Therefore, rather than create a people, God became a person. He chose not to be contaminated and could thus begin the cleansing through the cross.
Christians are the next edition - people chosen to cleanse by their example. Sadly, we aren't doing a great job. God keeps giving humanity a chance, but....
- LeshaunneLv 44 years ago
Uh... we don't. As far as I know, I don't think anyone has actually posted a picture of the Holocaust before. Not that I'm saying it hasn't happened, but I haven't noticed it yet. I can at least say that you are in the wrong for generalizing this as a rule, since (despite this specific account's age) I've been coming to this forum for years and know that's not what usually happens. It's even rare for the Holocaust to be invoked, much less shown. Of course, the Holocaust IS ethnic cleansing, not only in regards to Jews but also other groups like the Roma. I won't argue that Israel is always in the right; however, it is INCORRECT to say that Israel's official or actual policies are in favor of the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. That was NEVER Israel's goal. For starters, statistically a large percentage of Palestinians left in 1948 because they thought the Jews were going to be wiped out/forced to leave/killed, and didn't want to get in the cross fire. In other words, not only did they leave on their own accord (not Israel's) but were anticipating the ethnic cleansing of the Jewish people. And, yes, the rhetoric of the Arab forces at that time were distinctly calling for the removal of the Jews, and Israel's rhetoric was build our nation, with no mention of destroying the other state they expected nor kicking out those Arabs within their boarders. It should be clear now that, inside of Israel today, ethnic cleansing arguments fall flat. Considering how well integrated many Arabs can become, if they chose, with Israeli society, I can say that Israel does not have this attitude with their actions. With the West Bank and Gaza, too, where they hold less power than you seem to imagine. I do point out that the increasing Palestinian population, and the rate at which it does so, indicates that if they were trying to ethnically cleanse the Palestinians, they are doing a half-@ssed job. Israel doesn't do things half-assedly. Just food for thought. I will like to point out that, if Israel were ethnically cleansing the Palestinians, then I have to call attention to the job the Arab and Muslim world has done concerning their Jews. Israel's retention rate of Arabs is SIGNIFICANTLY higher than the rate of the Arab world on it's Jews. Many communities are extinct or soon will be, with the people who used to make up those communities long gone into other nations. Israel is cited as one of the greatest immigrant absorbing nations out there, and the Mizrahi Jews play no small part in that number. Libya's Jews are no more, Syria has less than 100, Lebanon perhaps less than that, and Iraq's last time I checked was 10. Yemen has 200 estimates (on a good day) when it used to have many more zeroes, and Egypt's, like many already mentioned, is aging and will probably all die out within the next few decades. The highest figure in Iran's favor is 10% today what it used to be at Israel's founding, and is projected to be less. In comparison, Israel's rate of retention concerning Arabs is astonishingly high. These figures conclude that you can't really deny the ethnic cleansing of the Jews in the Arab world, so I do have to make the criticism that those who denounce "Israeli ethnic cleansing" often don't look at these figures since it actually makes Israel a hero for that story.
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- Anonymous1 decade ago
Look at the early history of the GODS of other RELIGIONS and you will find the same pattern.They are still growing them selves.
The God of the old testament is the same way. If you look at how peoples Idea of Him has changed as you go through the Bible.
Jesus asked the GENTILES and others to help keep His words and deeds pure and unchanged until the Jewish people recognize that He was indeed the true promised Messiah that they prayed for.
Jesus is not YHWH but his only begotton son. As we all are through our souls that were made by the CREATOR of ALL THINGS.
- AngelsFanLv 61 decade ago
Read back where God spoke with Abraham and he told him how he was giving the "Amorites"450 years ,because of their grevious sins.These were Canaanites.They killed their first borns and put them in jars of clay and buried them in their homes for good luck.Sometimes they would lay them on the redhot altar of Molech,alive as a sacrifice.They ate human flesh.The word Cannibal come from "priests of Baal".Beastiality was rampant as was horrid diseases.God sent Israel into Egypt for 400 years .That was Canaans 400 year chance to clean up,but they didn't.So God cleansed the land,not ethnically or he wouldn't have allowed Rahab of Jericho and Ruth the Moabitess to marry into the geneological line of Jesus,and allowed the Gibeonites,and others to" hitch their wagons" to Israel.It wasn't ethnicity but paganism and horrid pagan practices.The Bible says any one could become a member of Israel if they "Converted".
- Fish <><Lv 71 decade ago
In the New Testament God does not condemn the Gentile. When the Jews rejected the teachings of the apostles God told them to go to the Gentiles.
- 1 decade ago
Cannan was to be Isreals land as God promisd
Gen 15:18 In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:
Before this God told Abraham
Gen 15:13 And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years;
Gen 15:14 And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance.
Gen 15:15 And thou shalt go to thy fathers in peace; thou shalt be buried in a good old age.
Gen 15:16 But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full.
If you look in verse 16 there is the answer (explaination below)
Gen 15:16 - And in the fourth generation they shall come hither again,.... The seed of Abram were in the land of Canaan before their descent into Egypt; and it is here predicted and promised, that they should come thither again, as they did, in the fourth generation of those that descended thither; for Moses and Aaron were the fourth from Levi, or Eleazar from Kohath, and Caleb from Judah; or rather this was in the fourth age or century from the birth of Isaac, when the four hundred were up before mentioned, men living at that time about an hundred years: Grotius interprets this of the fourth generation of the Amorites, because of what follows:
for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full; and therefore as yet would not be turned out of the land, and the seed of Abram could not till then inherit it: wicked people have a measure of iniquity to fill up, which is known of God; some are longer, some are quicker in filling it up, during which time God waits patiently and bears with them; but, when it is completed, he stays no longer, but takes vengeance on them, Mat_23:32. The Amorites were only one of the nations of the Canaanites, but were a very strong and powerful one, and are put for them all, and are the rather mentioned, because Abram at this time dwelt among them; and it seems as if there were some good men among them, such as the confederates of Abram might be, and they were not arrived to that depth of wickedness they afterwards would and did, and which brought on their ruin, and so made way for the posterity of Abram to inherit their land. Ben Melech interprets it of the punishment of the sin of the Amorites, the time for that was not come to dispossess them of their land.Source(s): http://e-sword.net
- Anonymous1 decade ago
The Canaanites were evil Heretics and Jesus had nothing to do with it. Jesus wasn't even born idiot. God only punished the evil people. He loved the good God fearing people. xx
- 1 decade ago
1. Jesus is a messenger of God, not God Himself, and
2. The message of YHWH has been corrupted overtime by people to justify their actions and mislead people.