At 2 Peter 2:5-10,several examples are given as a pattern, so why do some people?
say that the good Christians will be taken off the earth, when the pattern talked of at these verses say that it is the wicked that will be aken from their life on the earth?
- Tim 47Lv 71 decade agoFavorite Answer
2Peter 2:5 and he did not hold back from punishing an ancient world, but kept Noah, a preacher of righteousness, safe with seven others when he brought a flood upon a world of ungodly people; 6 and by reducing the cities Sod´om and Go·mor´rah to ashes he condemned them, setting a pattern for ungodly persons of things to come; 7 and he delivered righteous Lot, who was greatly distressed by the indulgence of the law-defying people in loose conduct— 8 for that righteous man by what he saw and heard while dwelling among them from day to day was tormenting his righteous soul by reason of their lawless deeds— 9 God knows how to deliver people of godly devotion out of trial, but to reserve unrighteous people for the day of judgment to be cut off, 10 especially, however, those who go on after flesh with the desire to defile it, and who look down on lordship.
Yes, these verses do support the idea that it is the wicked who are removed while the righteous remain.
- Anonymous1 decade ago
5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;
6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;
7 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:
8 (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds;)
9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:
10 But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.
Two different types of "being taken," that's all. Right now, ALL humans die in the body. The soul then goes to where the soul has chosen to spend that body's life: heaven if obedience to God was chosen, hell ("prepared for the devil and his angels") if obedience to demons (and disobedience to God) was chosen.
FROM OUR POINT OF VIEW the wicked are taken off the earth, but Peter makes very clear in this passage that they don't cease to exist merely because they left.
The judgment of the wicked has nothing to do with the rapture (Greek = harpazo, seized) of the church. In that, Jesus "descends with a shout" and seizes the church from the earth, very shortly before Satan (whom we are seized from) was about to take over and then kill us all. The reward of a faithful walk now is missing the judgments then.
Conversely, the reward of living for oneself now is living thru judgment then. God is never mocked.
- 1 decade ago
Good question. In fact, in the 3rd chapter, Peter specifically records Gods thoughts, that those who will be removed are ungodly men, not the entire planet.
"But by the same word the heavens and the earth that are now are stored up for fire and are being reserved to the day of judgment and of destruction of the ungodly men" - 2 Peter 3:7
And it probably has to do with being confused by what is meant by the term "Earth". Ecclesiastes and Psalms says the earth is lasting forever.
"And he began to build his sanctuary just like the heights,
Like the earth that he has founded to time indefinite" - Psalm 78:69
"He has founded the earth upon its established places; It will not be made to totter to time indefinite, or forever" - Psalm 104:5
"A generation is going, and a generation is coming; but the earth is standing even to time indefinite" - Ecclesiastes 1:4.
Those verses show, when considering the context, that the "earth" means just that, the planet. However, the Hebrew language is a poetically concrete language. For example, they literally didn't say, or think "in the brief moment of time". Literally, word for word, they said: "In the swallowing down of spit [in time]". They didn't say "seashore". They said "lip of the ocean". So sometimes, when a Jew wrote about the Earth, he wasn't speaking of the planet.
What's a good example of this, scripturally that we can easily understand? That the "earth" can also mean the people on it?
"Now all the earth continued to be of one language and of one set of words. And it came about that in their journeying eastward they eventually discovered a valley plain in the land of Shi′nar, and they took up dwelling there." Genesis 11:1,2.
The "Earth" didn't speak with language. It meant the people on the planet. So too, in Peter, the "earth" being burnt up and destroyed means that ungodly men will be removed from the earth, for all time. Thus, the Bible is harmonious, and doesn't contradict the earlier statments, that states that righteous people will inheriet the earth, and live forever upon it.
"For evildoers themselves will be cut off, But those hoping in Jehovah are the ones that will possess the earth" - Psalm 37:9
"But the meek ones themselves will possess the earth,
And they will indeed find their exquisite delight in the abundance of peace" - Psalm 37:11
"The righteous themselves will possess the earth, And they will reside forever upon it" - Psalm 37:29
Now, some Christians ARE taken to heaven. Jesus said he would have two groups of followers at John 10:16
"“And I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; those also I must bring, and they will listen to my voice, and they will become one flock, one shepherd" - John 10:16
This scripture definitely states, that there are two groups of Christians. And they have different salvations. For some of them, being saved means going to heaven, where they have a definite task to perform for those who will live on the earth. The will rule as King-Priests with Christ Jesus. They make up "the Bride" class of Jesus Christ, and rule will him, in the future, bringing mankind to perfection, and to fulfill Psalm 37's promises.
"And they sing a new song, saying: “You are worthy to take the scroll and open its seals, because you were slaughtered and with your blood you bought persons for God out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation, and you made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God, and they are to rule as kings over the earth.” - Revelation 5:9,10
That will make up the "New Heavens" or new governmental way of doing things, and administrating Earths affairs.
"And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite" - Daniel 2:44
- Anonymous1 decade ago
good question, probably they are wrong.
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- 1 decade ago
tHE bIBLE MEANS THAT THE aTHEISTS WILL GO TO HELL,THEY'LL BE ROASTING POISONED MARSHMALLOWES AT THE DEVIL'S PICNIC.