Is it true that ppl didn't celebrate Christmas until the 4th century?

I'm not trying to start a theological fight, I just wanted to know.

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  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago
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    the nativity scene , the truth is , which shocked me to be honest is the fact that it originates with saint francis of assisi of greccio , in italy in 1223 ad . he had some local people and their live stock { animals } illustrate the birth of jesus and this nativity scene quickly caught on . nativity scenes carved from wood become popular all over Italy at christmas and the rest my friend is history .

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  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    The first recorded Christmas observence according to history was in 336 (although some historical references say there is no verifiable proof of celebration until it bacame listed on the Calendar of Filocaus in 354). Christmas has also been outlawed in several different countries (including parts of the United States) at different times in history.

    Fateridder is right about the nativity scene it that is attributed to St Francis of Assisi and came much later but Christmas was observed before that.

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  • I wouldn't be surprised if this is true. Christianity has gone through a lot of transformations through the ages. I'm sure that the first Christians worshiped a lot differently than modern ones.

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  • 1 decade ago

    We have celebrated December 25th since the day Jesus Christ was born, but as for celebrating it the way we do now I am unsure. Christmas stands for the mass of Christ. I do know that one of the reasons we celebrate it now is not only for the day Christ was born, but also for giving to those you Love and need.

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  • 1 decade ago

    Yeah, Also in germany santa use to come and kill children in their sleep on christmas eve if they did not behave through out the year. He has gotten better...

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  • 1 decade ago

    it was originally a pagan celebration of winter solstice or in honor of the son of the sun god before adapted to christianity.

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  • 1 decade ago

    i think so, i think it was a pagen ritual till Christianity came to Europe, no ones knows actually the birth of Christ, so they used this time to celebrate Christ birth

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  • 1 decade ago

    goh, anwering this would be a very wild geuss

    heared the same rumour..

    but dunno cuss

    cant remember being around in the 4th century..

    nor the centurys before that

    (lol or after that ..

    exept a small part of this one ;)

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  • 1 decade ago

    i have no idea

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  • 1 decade ago

    How Christmas came about. Is it related to Valentine's?

    VALENTINE'S (CUPID)

    CENTURIES BEFORE CHRIST, THE PAGAN ROMANS CELEBRATED FEBRUARY 15 & THE EVENING OF FEBRUARY 14 AS AN IDOLATROUS & SENSUOUS FESTIVAL IN HONOR OF LUPERCUS, THE "HUNTER OF WOLVES". THE ROMANS CALLED THE FESTIVAL "LUPERCALIA"; CUSTOM OF EXCHANGING VALENTINES & OTHER TRADITIONS TO HONOR LUPERCUS, THE "HUNTER OF WOLVES". THE ROMANS CALLED THE FESTIVAL "LUPERCALIA"; CUSTOM OF EXCHANGING VALENTINES AND OTHER TRADITIONS IN HONOR OF LUPERCUS (THE DEIFIED HERO-HUNTER OF ROME). IT WAS ALSO BONDED ANCIENTLY WITH THE PAGAN PRACTICE OF TEENAGERS "GOING STEADY" THAT USUALLY LED TO FORNICATION. TODAY, "GOING STEADY" IS A REBIRTH OF AN OLD CUSTOM THAT CAME FROM THE TOMAN FESTIVAL LUPERCALIA THAT WAS CELEBRATED IN FEBRUARY BY DRAWING YOUNG WOMEN'S NAMES OUT OF A BOX BY MEN AS CHANCE DIRECTED.-- ENCYCLOPEDIA AMERICANA, ARTICLE, "ST. VALENTINE'S DAY."

    WHEN CONSTANTINE MADE CHRISTIANITY THE OFFICIAL RELIGION OF THE ROMAN EMPIRE THERE WAS SOME TALK IN CHURCH CIRCLES OF DISGARDING THIS PAGAN FREE-FOR-ALL. BUT THE ROMAN CITIZENS WOULDN'T HEAR OF IT! SO IT WAS AGREED THAT THE HOLIDAY WOULD CONTINUE AS IT WAS, EXCEPT FOR THE MORE GROSLY SENSUAL OBSERVANCES. IT WAS NOT UNTIL THE REIGN OF POPE GELASIUS THAT THE HOLIDAY BECAME A "CHRISTIAN CUSTOM." AS FAR BACK AS 496, POPE GELASIUS CHANGED LUPERCALIA ON FEBRUARY 15 TO ST. VALENTINE'S ON FEBRUARY 14."--("CUSTOMS AND HOLIDAYS AROUND THE WORLD", PG.172 BY LAVINIA DOBLER)(BY HERMAN L. HOEH; THE PLAIN TRUTH;FEBRUARY 1966).

    LUPERCUS BORNE THE NAME VALENTINE AMONG THE HEATHEN ROMANS. THE GREEKS CALLED HIM "PAN"; THE SEMITES "BAAL" ACCORDING TO THE CLASSICAL DICTIONARIES". IN THE BIBLE; "BAAL" IS MENTIONED OFTEN; ANOTHER NAME FOR HIM IS CALLED "NIMROD, "THE MIGHTY HUNTER" (GENESIS 10:9). ANOTHER NAME FOR NIMROD WAS "SANCTUS" OR "SANTA", MEANING "SAINT", COMMON TITLE FOR A HERO-GOD. NIMROD KNOWN AS BAAL OR sun god OF ANCIENT PAGANS WAS BORN AT THE WINTER SOLSTICE. IN ANCIENT TIMES THE SOLSTICE OCCURED ON JANUARY 6; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/epiphany THIS WAS HIS BIRTHDAY UNTIL THE SOLSTICE CHANGED & THEN IT WAS CELEBRATED ON DECEMBER 25. "IT WAS THE CUSTOM OF ANTIQUITY FOR THE MOTHER OF A MALE CHILD TO PRESENT HERSELF FOR PURIFICATION ON THE 14TH DAY AFTER THE DAY OF BIRTH. THE 14TH DAY AFTER JAN.6--NIMROD'S ORIGINAL BIRTHDATE---TAKES US TO FEB.15, THE CELEBRATION OF WHICH BEGAN ON THE EVENING OF FEB.14--THE LUPERCALIA OR ST. VALENTINE'S DAY." --(HERMAN L. HOEH) NIMROD'S OTHER NAME WAS "CUPID" WHICH MEANS "DESIRE"---ENCYCLOPEDIA BRITANNICA", ART., "CUPID".

    Encyclopedia Americana, article, "St. Valentine's Day."

    Encyclopedia Britannica, art., "cupid."

    http://family.webshots.com/photo/13397600870493735...

    http://www.biblestudy.org/basicart/valentin.html

    http://home.swbell.net/kelkay/valentines

    http://home.sprynet.com/~pabco/stvalen.htm

    EXODUS 20:3 = "Thou shalt not have other gods before me." It tells us in verse 5 = "not to bow to them nor serve them".

    Here are the texts of gods that should not be worshipped:

    EXOD.20:23; 32:3,4,8-10,19-23,30

    DEUT.4:19,28-31; 11:26-28; 17:3

    JER.10 talks about the christmas tree

    EZEK.8:13-18

    DAN. 3:1-18 (tried to make Daniel's friends to bow to the image, but they didn't)

    New Testament Texts:

    GAL.4:8-10 (pagan feasts are: New Year's, Valentine's-Cupid, Patrick's Day, Easter-Ishtar, Halloween, Christmas, Sunday-sun{from sunset Sat. to sunset Sunday = GEN.1:5), Monday-moon-{worship after sunset Sunday which would be Sunday evening(Sun.even to Mon.even)= considered to be Monday according to GEN.1:8}. Birthdays come from pagan origin too. = (only 2 birthdays are mentioned in Bible; they are: Pharoah and King Herod)

    You can find most of things in sources like encyclopedias, history, etc. that tell you it's pagan or that it comes from pagan origin. (Pagan means no religious beliefs; in the 1984 New Concise Webster's Dictionary--Pagan defined : "A heathen; one having no religious beliefs")

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    http://search.yahoo.com/search?ei=utf-8&fr=slv8-&p...

    Look at these websites:

    MITHRAS (goddess of light)

    http://search.yahoo.com/search?ei=utf-8&fr=slv8-&p...

    http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie...

    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&rls=PCTA%2C...

    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&rls=PCTA%2C...

    HORUS (sun god)

    http://search.yahoo.com/search?ei=utf-8&fr=slv8-&p...

    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&rls=PCTA%2C...

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    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&rls=PCTA%2C...

    http://search.yahoo.com/search?ei=utf-8&fr=slv8-&p...

    http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie...

    http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie...

    Saturnalia (Mid-December; another name for Nimrod or Tammuz)

    http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=saturnalia+christ...

    http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0geuoKAwIhFuo...

    http://www.google.com/custom?hl=en&oe=ISO-8859-1&c...

    http://www.google.com/custom?q=saturnlia&hl=en&lr=...

    http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0geusU_wohF.Q...

    http://search.yahoo.com/search?ei=utf-8&fr=slv8-&p...

    http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=saturnalia+god&rs...

    http://search.yahoo.com/search?ei=utf-8&fr=slv8-&p...

    http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0geutnRwYhFJh...

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    CHRISTMAS

    Note: ECCLES.7:1 = "A good name is better than precious ointment; and the day of death than the day of one's birth."

    CHRISTMAS

    Christmas isn't Jesus's birthdate; it was the birthday of the sun god. Scripture doesn't mention Jesus's birthdate or any christians celebrating His Birthday. The only birthday mentioned besides Pharoah is the heathen king Herod. "Christmas" means "mass of Christ"; the celebration coexisted in Rome before there was any in Jerusalem. The early Roman Church however did establish a pagan festival that (Jer.10) coexisted with Jesus's Birth and that was the birthday of the sun god. (Encyclopaedia Britannica, 11th ed., article: "Christmas"). The Catholic sources admit that Christmas didn't co-exist with the earliest festivals. Jesus wasn't born Christmas; even scripture makes this evident. "On the night of Jesus's birth, the shepherd's were still keeping watch over their flocks." (Luke 2:8). The rainy season in Ancient Israel began after the Feast of Tabernacles which generally is early October. In November, it would be cool and wet; the flocks from the pasture had already been brought and kept in winter quarters by the shepherds. This tells us the shepherds were no longer in the fields at night. Another peice of evidence is overlooked is in Luke 1:35-36; it tells us John the Baptist was born to Mary's cousin Elizabeth six months before Jesus. And as we look further in verse 5-17, we see Zacharias an elderly priest burning incense on the altar and then an angel appearing to him and telling him that he and his wife would have a son to prepare Christ's Way. We know however when this announcement was made by the angel because of Zacharias was "of the course of Abijah" Please look at 1Chron.24:1-19; it tells us that King David divided these priests into 24 "courses" that served in the temple by rotation. The Course of Abijah would be the 8th of the 24 courses which usually would occur around the end of May. Pentecost came the week after the 8th course served and he had to serve all 24 courses during the three festival seasons. So Zacharias came home approximately after the first week of June; in which John the Baptist was conceived around mid-June and 9 months later would be his birth. John Baptist's birth came around mid-March while Jesus's was around mid-September. Also notice every year people claim 3 wise men seen Jesus in a stable; is this really true? The Bible nowhere states "3 wise men" or "that the wise men visited Jesus in a stable". Read for yourself: (Matt.2:11); these Magi came from the east beyond the Euphrates River which in the 1st century was called the Parthian Empire (the eastern border of the Roman Empire). Several weeks after Jesus's birth, the Magi arrived in Jerusalem, the king's palace searching for Jesus. The "star" in the east led them to take their trip to Judea. After hearing about the timing of the "star's appearance" from the Magi; King Herod ordered the slaughter of all children two years and younger(Matt.2:16). When Jesus was 40 days old: His parents presented him in the temple (Luke 2:22)(Lev.12:2-4). After the Magi came, the family fled to Egypt. {Jesus six weeks old.}

    WHEN WAS JESUS'S BIRTH?

    http://www.lcg.org/cgi-bin/tw/magazine/tw-mag.cgi?...

    http://family.webshots.com/photo/13423934630493735...

    Are these holidays dangerous to people?

    http://www.lcg.org/cgi-bin/tw/magazine/tw-mag.cgi?...

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