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If Jesus were part of the Trinity, thus making him comletly God, then why would he pray to The father.?

After all, every part of the trinity is not a part of God, but is God. So how do you explain this?

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  • 1 decade ago
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    The Bible does not support the Trinity. I can not explain the Trinity because I do not believe in it. Reading the Bible; Jesus never claimed to be God; but is God's Son.

    Source(s): God's Word; the Bible (Matthew 3:16 & 17; John 17: 3-5)
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  • 1 decade ago

    Trinity did not exist when the Gospels were written.

    The Gospels were written from all that was written by all who could write according the opening of Luke's Gospel and much was left out while much was repeated according to John's closing remarks.

    Most of the Gospels are written by Roman pagans who saw Christ as a pagan son of their God Zeus who was Zeus himself, by the miracles he performed. He fed the hungry and healed the sick and raised the dead or who was considered dead when there were no paramedics and no ambulances and no hospitals.

    Jesus was the name that was given to the Hoax of the crucifixion of two thieves who replaced Christ and Barabbas, by the inscriptions on their crosses, and they were the surprise of the day as you will sew that no Gospel reports their presence until the entire procession of thieves and more than 200 Roman soldiers and the Jerusalem crowd arrive at Golgotha.

    Christ did not pray to the Father but to "the Only True God" (John 17:3) but the Jesus addition to the Christ by Pontius Pilate in offering their King to the Bblical Jews, create the illusion, for which the name "Jesus" is used 628 times in the Four Gospels to 51 times of Christ.

    You can get yourself a copy of The Age Of Reason at www.Xlibris.com and go through the whole Biblical Hoax with the Bible and get rid of some or most of your confusion.

    Source(s): The Age Of Reason Bible
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  • 1 decade ago

    Fred and Robert are persons. They are human. Fred talks to Robert.

    Jesus and the Father are Persons. They are God. Jesus talked (prayed) to His Father.

    Any reason why He would not have talked to His Father?

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    1 decade ago

    Jesus was endowed with the Christ, but it was the human part of Jesus that wanted the cup to be taken from him. In His perfect obedience to the Father, He declared, "not mine, but Thine will be done." Jesus, the man, prayed just as we do to the Father, when times are tough. Christ is God, and God doesn't pray to Himself.

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  • 1 decade ago

    Yes, 1 God, but 3 distinct characters. Do I fully understand it; no. Do I need to? No. One day I will ask them for myself.

    Source(s): Take a blue skittle, a red skittle, and a green skittle. Each is a different physical piece, each tastes different, but all 3 are skittles. - This is my best attempt at trying to clarify the issue. of course, I am not God.
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  • 1 decade ago

    Jesus [Michael] is not part of the trinity. that Son is the eternal son.

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  • 1 decade ago

    Not all christians believe in the TRINITY.

    http://www.mindspring.com/~anthonybuzzard/trinity....

    1JOHN 4:1 = "Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because MANY FALSE PROPHETS are gone out into the world."

    (In reference to the crowd = Matt.7:13; 24:24; some departing from the faith = Acts 20:29-30)false prophets are gone out into the world."

    PROVERBS 28:11 = "The rich man is wise in his own conceit; but the poor that hath understanding searcheth him out."

    {conceit = Prov.26:5; Rom.11:25; 12:16}

    (In reference to Heb.5:14= "knowing good and evil"; 1Thess.5:21= "prove all things")

    TRINITY is defined as "A three-fold personality existing in one divine being or substance; the union in one God the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as three infinite co-equal, co-eternal persons as; one God in three persons."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity

    The Trinity Doctrine came from paganism.

    (Pagan means no religious beliefs; in the 1984 New Concise Webster's Dictionary--Pagan defined : "A heathen; one having no religious beliefs")

    http://www.thunderministries.com/Beast/Apostasy.ht...

    http://www.sabbatarian.com/Paganism/HecateTrinity....

    http://www.cornerstone1.org/trinity1.htm

    http://www.biblicalunitarian.com/html/modules.php?...

    http://mikeblume.com/pagantr.htm

    Most of the majority(Matt.7:13) leads people away from the Truth.

    (KJV BIBLE)There are 3 that protestants claim about the trinity; they're JOHN 14 & 15 and 1JOHN 5:7. To start out 1JOHN 5:7 was never in any of the inspired Greek manuscripts; so this knocks out one. As for John 14 & 15; the Greek word for "helper" is paracletos; one who helps inwhich points to the Holy spirit. In Greek, the word "He" is neuter such as "hand" is feminine whether it is a woman's hand or male's hand. As for the word "paracletos" it is masculine and always require a masculine pronoun. This however doesn't prove personhood as you've noticed.

    But as you've noticed, these texts don't prove Jesus is God or the Holy Spirit.

    I don't believe in the TRINITY! The Bible texts that I'm going to mention contradict the Trinity teaching.

    MATT.12:32 "AND WHOSOEVER SPEAKETH A WORD AGAINST THE SON OF MAN, IT SHALL BE FORGIVEN HIM: BUT WHOSOEVER SPEAKETH AGAINST THE HOLY GHOST, IT SHALL NOT BE FORGIVEN HIM, NEITHER IN THIS WORLD, NEITHER IN THE WORLD TO COME."

    JOHN 14:28 "IF YE LOVED ME, YE WOULD REJOICE, BECAUSE I SAID , I GO UNTO THE FATHER: FOR MY FATHER IS GREATER THAN I."

    1COR.11:3 "BUT I WOULD HAVE YOU KNOW THAT THE HEAD OF EVERY MAN IS CHRIST; & THE HEAD OF THE WOMAN IS THE MAN; AND THE HEAD OF CHRIST IS GOD."

    LUKE 18:19 "AND JESUS SAID UNTO HIM, WHY CALLEST THOU ME GOOD? NONE IS GOOD, SAVE ONE, THAT IS, GOD."

    ****SEVERAL OTHER TEXTS SAY THERE'S ONLY TWO PERSONS:

    1COR.1:3; 8:6; 1TIM.1:2; 2:5; GAL.1:3; PHILIPP.1:2; ROM.1:7; 2COR.1:2-3; 1THESS.1:1; 2THESS.1:2; 2TIM.1:2; PHILEMON 1:3; 1PETER 1:3; 2PETER 1:2; 1JOHN 1:3; 2JOHN 1:3.

    Now touching on the HOLY SPIRIT; the Holy Spirit is a power(Luke 1:35= "And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the "Son of God.") where God and Jesus make their presence known in the hearts and minds of believers(1John 3:24 = "And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us."). The believers of god and Jesus will have this love poured on them (Rom.5:5 = "And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given to us.") It will teach them understanding and wisdom of God's Word (John 14:16,17,20,23,26 = "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. At that day ye shall know that I am in the Father, and ye in me, and I in you. Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.") Jesus had the Holy Spirit in him when he made the lame walk and the deaf to hear and etc.(Luke 5:15-17) God works in our minds to give us stength to overcome (Genesis 6:3 = "And the Lord said, my Spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.") Other texts are: John 7:38-39; Rom.8:11,13-14,16 and Psalm 104:30.

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    Another text that Trinitarians use to say Jesus is the same being as God is John 10:30.

    Well many confuse this text in John 10:30 to say Jesus and God are one and the same person; but this text doesn't mean that.

    Go back to verse 29; doesn't it say that Jesus's Father is greater than him. In fact what does Jesus/Bible tell us in these texts; doesn't it say that Jesus and God are seperate people?

    JOHN 14:28 = "YE HAVE HEARD HOW I SAID UNTO YOU, I GO AWAY, AND COME AGAIN UNTO YOU. IF YE LOVED ME, YE WOULD REJOICE, BECAUSE I SAID, I GO UNTO THE FATHER: FOR MY FATHER IS GREATER THAN I."

    JOHN 20:17 = "JESUS SAID UNTO HER, TOUCH ME NOT; FOR I AM NOT ASCENDED TO MY FATHER: BUT GO TO MY BRETHREN, AND SAY TO THEM, I ASCEND UNTO MY FATHER, AND YOUR FATHER; AND TO MY GOD AND YOUR GOD."

    1COR.11:3 "BUT I WOULD HAVE YOU KNOW THAT THE HEAD OF EVERY MAN IS CHRIST; & THE HEAD OF THE WOMAN IS THE MAN; AND THE HEAD OF CHRIST IS GOD."

    LUKE 18:19 "AND JESUS SAID UNTO HIM, WHY CALLEST THOU ME GOOD? NONE IS GOOD, SAVE ONE, THAT IS, GOD."

    MATT.19:17 = "AND HE SAID UNTO HIM, WHY CALLEST THOU ME GOOD? THERE IS NONE GOOD BUT ONE, THAT IS, GOD: BUT IF THOU WILT ENTER INTO LIFE, KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS."

    ****SEVERAL OTHER TEXTS SAY THERE'S ONLY TWO PERSONS:

    1COR.1:3; 8:6; 1TIM.1:2; 2:5; GAL.1:3; PHILIPP.1:2; ROM.1:7; 2COR.1:2-3; 1THESS.1:1; 2THESS.1:2; 2TIM.1:2; PHILEMON 1:3; 1PETER 1:3; 2PETER 1:2; 1JOHN 1:3; 2JOHN 1:3.

    So what does John 10:30 really means--when it says "I and my Father are one?" Well let's go further down to John 10:38. Doesn't it tell us that God and Jesus are alike and similar in actions, features, and etc? Take a Father with his son or a Mother with her daughter; do they have characteristics like you; but does that mean they're you? No of course not; they're seperate, but are alike in different ways.

    JOHN 10:38 = "BUT IF I DO, THOUGH YE BELIEVE NOT ME, BELIEVE THE WORKS: THAT YE MAY KNOW, AND BELIEVE, THAT THE FATHER IS IN ME, AND I IN HIM."

    JOHN 5:19-20 = "THEN, ANSWERED JESUS AND SAID UNTO THEM, VERILY, VERILY, I SAY UNTO YOU, THE SON CAN DO NOTHING OF HIMSELF, BUT WHAT HE SEETH THE FATHER DO: FOR WHAT THINGS SOEVER HE DOETH, THESE ALSO DOETH THE SON LIKEWISE. FOR THE FATHER LOVETH THE SON, AND SHEWETH HIM ALL THINGS THAT HIMSELF DOETH: AND HE WILL SHEW HIM GREATER WORKS THAN THESE, THAT YE MAY MARVEL."

    JOHN 17:21-22 = "THAT THEY ALL MAY BE ONE; AS THOU, FATHER, ART IN ME, AND I IN THEE, THAT THEY ALSO MAY BE ONE IN US: THAT THE WORLD MAY BELIEVE THAT THOU HAS SENT ME. AND THE GLORY WHICH THOU GAVEST ME I HAVE GIVEN THEM; THAT THEY MAY BE ONE, EVEN AS WE ARE ONE."

    JOHN 14:10-11 = "BELIEVEST THOU NOT THAT I AM IN THE FATHER, AND THE FATHER IN ME? THE WORDS THAT I SPEAK UNTO YOU I SPEAK OF NOT MYSELF: BUT THE FATHER THAT DWELLETH IN ME, HE DOETH THE WORKS. BELIEVE ME THAT I AM IN THE FATHER, AND THE FATHER IN ME: OR ELSE BELIEVE ME FOR THE VERY WORKS' SAKE."

    JOHN 5:36 = "BUT I HAVE A GREATER WITNESS THAN THAT OF JOHN: FOR THE WORKS WHICH THE FATHER HATH GIVEN ME TO FINISH, THE SAME WORKS THAT I DO, BEAR WITNESS OF ME, THAT THE FATHER HATH SENT ME."

    JOHN 10:25 = "JESUS ANSWERED THEM, I TOLD YOU, AND YOU BELIEVED NOT: THE WORKS THAT I DO IN MY FATHER'S NAME, THEY BEAR WITNESS OF ME."

    Also many others such as:

    JOHN 8:28,42,49-50,54; 5:19-20,26-27,30; 6:38,57

    MATT.20:23

    Jesus Christ came here on earth to show people who God is by his actions and features. So if we knew Jesus in our heart; we would know God because Jesus showed us when he was on earth. (JOHN 17:3)

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    Is Jesus God?

    The Answer is definately "NO".

    Is Jesus God?

    Jesus Christ is not God {he was figuratively (Logos)God in the Old Testament; the spokesperson for God} = John 1:1. So does the Bible say Jesus is God; no it says that Jesus is the son of God = 1John 4:15.

    References of the devil or demons calling Jesus Son of God:

    Matthew 4:3

    Matthew 4:6,

    Matthew 8:29

    Mark 3:11

    Luke 4:3

    Luke 4:9

    Luke 4:41

    References to humans calling Jesus Son of God:

    Matthew 14:33

    Matthew 27:54

    Mark 1:1

    Mark 15:39

    John 1:34

    John 1:49

    John 11:27

    John 20:31

    Acts 9:20

    Romans 1:4

    2 Corinthians 1:19

    Galatians 2:20

    Hebrews 4:14

    Hebrews 6:6

    Hebrews 7:3

    Hebrews 10:29

    1 John 3:8

    1 John 4:15

    1 John 5:1

    1 John 5:5

    1 John 5:10

    1 John 5:13

    1 John 5:20

    Matthew 14:33

    Revelation 2:18

    Jesus referring to himself as the Son of God:

    John 3:18

    John 5:25

    John 10:36

    John 11:4

    http://www.lcg.org/cgi-bin/tw/magazine/tw-mag.cgi?...

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    To understand this better; most people say Jesus is God; how can this be? What happened to Jesus then, if Jesus is God or what happened to God if Jesus is God?

    1John 2:22-24.

    In reference to Old Testament Isaiah 9:6; most people assume in this passage that it says Jesus is God. If they searched in the Hebrew writings; they would know what Isaiah 9:6 is really talking about.

    http://www.ccg.org/english/s/p224.html

    http://www.angelfire.com/space/thegospeltruth/theo...

    http://www.biblicalunitarian.com/modules.php?name=...

    Hosea 11:9 = "...: for I am God and not man; the Holy One in the midst of thee: and I will not enter in the city."

    Numbers 23:19 = "God is not a man; that he should lie: neither the son of man, that he should repent..."

    Acts 2:22 = "Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you..."

    Now from these two texts; it tells us there's two persons: one is God and one is Jesus the son of God; a man approved of God. Now as we have determined Jesus can't be God.

    The Bible contradicts the Trinity teaching over and over. Now if Jesus was a trinity (which is unbiblical), that would mean he didn't come fully in the flesh = 1John 4:3.

    How can Jesus be God and talk to himself? Also if Jesus was God on the earth; that would mean he was a spirit; we know this wasn't true because of 1John 4:2-3 and 2Jn.1:7.

    http://family.webshots.com/photo/14726512660514977...

    Is God really a TRINITY?

    http://lcg.org/search/search.php?query=IS+THERE+A+...

    http://www.lcg.org/cgi-bin/tw/booklets/tw-bk.cgi?c...

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