I really would a apreciate to find the truths and what is meant only in the following to scriptures. I'm having a hard time lately believing that Jesus is God, or Equal to God (the trinity), please just help me figure this out.
Acts 7:55 "But he, being full of holy spirit, gazed into heaven and caught sight of God’s glory and of Jesus standing at God’s right hand,and he said: “Look! I behold the heavens opened up and the Son of man standing at God’s right hand.”..Jesus was standing at GODS right hand???
Matt. 26:39, RS: “Going a little farther he [Jesus Christ] fell on his face and prayed, ‘My Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as thou wilt.’” (If the Father and the Son were not distinct individuals, such a prayer would have been meaningless. Jesus would have been praying to himself, and his will would of necessity have been the Father’s will.)
I would apreciate some help figuring out these 2 scriptures to "justify" Trinity
The egg scenario isn't working, these scriptures are showing me that God and Jesus are 2 completely different and seperate. Like father to son know what i mean? Thanks for your Answer though
If Jesus as "God in the flesh"...can you then help me find a scripture proving that he was limited because of his transformation? I never read a scripture to that regard :(
I've seen the following scripture around but it doesn't make sense to apply it to thinking Jesus and God are "one" in the sense that they are the same..
John 10:30:When saying, “I and the Father are one,” did Jesus mean that they were equal? Some Trinitarians say that he did. But at John 17:21, 22, Jesus prayed regarding his followers: “That they may all be one,” and he added, “that they may be one even as we are one.” He used the same Greek word (hen) for “one” in all these instances. Obviously, Jesus’ disciples do not all become part of the Trinity. But they do come to share a oneness of purpose with the Father and the Son, the same sort of oneness that unites God and Christ.
"imposssible" I read all your analogy, and i thought it was awesome, but it still doesn't work. Me bieng boss and then declaring to my workers i am boss, doesn't go good....Jesus Never took credit for being God, He always gave Credit to the Father being the ALMIGHTY God, therefore still 2 distinct individuals. AHH this is so messed up THANKS TO EVERYONE for helping..
"pastor_tj" I rnjoyed reading all your comment, well thought out, well written BUT, your statements shows that Jesus,God, and the holy spirit are Equal.....how can this be if..
Pilippians 2:5,6 says:5 Keep this mental attitude in YOU that was also in Christ Jesus, who, although he was existing in God’s form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God.
- LineDancerLv 71 decade agoFavorite Answer
God is not a trinity. The Most High God is Jehovah. (Ps. 83:18) Jesus is Son of God. (John 10:36) He is inferior to God. He himself said at John 14:28: "The Father is greater than I am." 1 Cor. 11:3 says that the head of the Christ is God.
There is not one verse in the Bible that says God is composed of 3 co-eternal, co-equal "persons." It is pure fantasy.
- 1 decade ago
The Father and The Son are seperate beings, but share the same spirit, that is the spirit of perfection and holiness.They are one in their decisions and thoughts, Jesus was God in the flesh, a perfect man, and us too, if we could be perfect, would be part of the trinity, but unfortunately, no one can manage to do so, everyone falls short of the glory of God except for Jesus, we just cant be perfect, we cant be like God...I hope this clears things up a little.
- timjimLv 61 decade ago
We can't understand the Trinity. "3 beings in 1." The simplest explanation I've ever heard, was imagine a cherry pie, when you cut it into 3 pieces, you see and understand 3 separate pieces, but when you pill the knife out everything under the surface just runs together again. 3 separate and equal beings in 1.
I know this is an over simplification, but I don't understand it either, the human mind is to feeble to comprehend God.
The Father points to Jesus, Jesus points to the Holy Spirit, and The Holy Spirit points us back to The Father. etc
Peace, and Good Night.
- 1 decade ago
From what I discerned from reading Yahoo answers regarding this subject, is that the concept of the trinity is relatively new, that is was not believed in bible times and has a tainted origin. That is why is does not make sense, because it is bogus. It clearly does not fit into the context of the scriptures! You can't justify a false concept!
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- Anonymous1 decade ago
Imagine an egg. We can disect an egg into the shell the white and the yolk but each part is still exactly the same as it was when it was next to the other two parts. One part of an egg is not an egg because the concept of "egg" is based around its being a set of things. The father, Jesus and the holy spirit are in their own ways each God because "God" is a term used to describe a set composed of three parts.
- PaulCypLv 71 decade ago
Jesus and God are not distinct persons, but Jesus (God the Son) and God the Father ARE distinct persons. That's what the Trinity means - three distinct persons who are each fully God, and yet only one God. One of the most detailed and concise descriptions of the Trinity (we can only describe it, we cannot fully understand it) is an ancient document called The Athanasian Creed. You can read it here. Perhaps it will help ....
- 1 decade ago
IM going to try and spare you an insanely long answer.
Itts not as difficult as you think. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as all ONE GOD, but they ARE 3 distinct persons. This fact should clear up ur confusion.
Also Jesus could stand at teh right hand of the Father, because they are in fact 3 dinstinct persons. However, they are all 100% God.
Imagaine a blanket. Fold it 3 times. ok. 3 folds in 1 blanket. 3 Persons in one God.
God bless and i hope thsi didnt confuse you more,
- 1 decade ago
yes i agree with 'spanky' and 'stanbo'
Jesus was God in the flesh, they where as one,
"If you have seen me, you have seen the father also"
the trinity is a way man is trying to understand the characteristics of God,
There is an analogy of Gods character being represented by the example of water
water has three different states, solid ice, liquid and vapor.
They all exist together.
With your exampe in Matt. 26:39 this is an understandable verse, where Jesus is conversing with the 'father' he is mearly conversing to the part of himself that is God, un-containable and unimaginable.
You use this same method all the time,,, when you ask your conscience a question, when you discuss matters with yourself in your own heart.
The conscience is un-containable also. But this is still a poor example.
Think of the 'internet'
It would be like my computer communicating with another computer on the other side of the world to get data.
Even though they are fully connected with all the other computers worldwide that are online, my computer in front of me, still needs to locate the particular address to receive the correct information from the mega servers.
God is the mega server, and he also came to earth as a self-contained server (Jesus) yet still wirelesly connected to the true mega server which is God who cannot be contained due to his unimaginable bandwidth, integrated network and knowledge.
- -♦One-♦-Love♦-Lv 71 decade ago
Hey, I'm the same! It's har for me to believe that Jesus is God! I think Trinity was made up not so long ago! Christianity has changed quite a lot, as it seems! Sorry if this wasn't good enough!=)
- 1 decade ago
When one speaks of the Trinity, which I prefer to use the term “Godhead” as it is found in the Bible, to separate Christianity from Catholicism, because many confuse Catholicism with True Christianity, and it is not Christianity. Nevertheless the word Trinity is a derivative of the words Tri(Three) and Unity (Nity) meaning three in unity = Trinity. It is a term used to describe the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost relationship in Heaven. The Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are all three separate entities, all being God and operating in unity of each other, which is the oneness of them.
Many of our believers do not understand that The Father and Jesus are not the same entity, but separate entities, even though they are both God. We distinguish them by use of the terms Father, Son, and Holy Ghost to distinguish, which we are referring to. We most often refer to Father JEHOVAH as the Father to denote his headship in the Godhead.
Take for example you; you have a father and he has a father also, when you refer to your natural father, you would call him father, and his father you would call Grandfather to distinguish them from one another. This is how we distinguish the Godhead, by uses of the term Father, Son, Lord, Holy Spirit, etc.
They are separate, as you have stated relevant scripture to prove such. The disciple also knew this to be true, notice how they distinguish God JEHOVAH form Jesus in scripture:
“Grace [be] unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and [from] the Lord Jesus Christ.” (1Cor. 1:3)
As you can see the Apostle Paul made reference to both, the Father and Son here. There are many more verses to support such but for brevity sake I will give you one more and if you like feel free to email me and we can discuss this in greater detail if this thread doesn’t allow me to post again. (I’m new here and do not know much about this board)
If you also notice in the Bible which have the words of Jesus in red (translated bibles) you will see that the words of god the Father in the Old Testament ads well as his speaking in the New Testament writings were never in red, letting you know they are not the same entity or being, they are separate from another. In other words if Jesus and JEHOVAH were the same, then every word spoken by Father God (JEHOAVH) would have to also be in red because he is Jesus. Just as you posted in your scripture reference Acts 7:55, that shows that Jesus does not stand at the right hand of himself, but at the Right hand of God the Father, showing you they are separate entities. As well as in your second scripture reference I Matthew 26:39 where Jesus is praying in the Garden, If Jesus is JEHOVAH why would he have need to pray to himself?
In sum, he Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are three separate entities, all operating in unity and agreement of each other, which shows the oneness of them all. The Father is first, Jesus is second, and then you have the Holy Spirit. Jesus is at the right hand of the Father and the Holy Spirit in manifested before the throne of God as the seven spirits of God:
“And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and [there were] seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.” (Rev. 4:5)
Seven representing complete, which is why the Holy Spirit is manifested by seven burning lamps of fire. I am still learning how to come back and read replies so here is my email in the event I do not get back here in a reasonable time to review your replies. I’m still learning this board here. Feel free to email me at Torrence1966@comcast.net if you have questions. Be sure to put in the email subject “Yahoo discussion” so I will know it isn’t spam, because I don’t open mail I think is spam and I wouldn’t want to miss any email from those seeking answers or the likes in biblical issues.