what 'trouble' did the pope get into and what was the basis of the 'comment'?

please include all the details you can... all i know is that he said something that caused anger... i pretty much don't know anything else from there so if you can help plz do and if you can make this as long as you can please do so.

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  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago
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    On Tuesday, September 12th, Pope Benedict XVI made a speech on "Faith and Reason" at the University of Regensburg in Germany and quoted from writings of an erudite 14th Century Byzantine Christian Emperor, Manuel II Palaiologos. Manuel II took notes during his dialogs in 1391 with the Persian Muderris at Ankara and his notebooks were preserved as the "Twenty-six Dialogs with a Persian" on the "truths of Christianity and Islam". The pontiff quoted Manuel II who said that spreading the faith through violence is unreasonable and that acting without reason was against God's nature.

    Manuel II's empire had been conquerored by Muslims and was made to pay the jizyah (submission tribute) so naturally he experienced Islam at its worst. Between 1379 and 1402 Byzantium had paid 690,000 hyperpyra (or 345,000 ducats) to the Ottomans.


    The pontiff said, "Speaking about the issue of jihad, holy war, the emperor [Manuel II] said, 'Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached.'"

    "Violence is incompatible with the nature of God and the nature of the soul," added the pontiff in his own words.



    Muslim reaction to that speech spanned from outrage to violence against nuns and churches. An Iraqi insurgent group threatened the Vatican with a suicide attack over the pope's remarks on Islam, according to a statement posted Saturday on the Web.

    "We swear to God to send you people who adore death as much as you adore life," said the message posted in the name of the Mujahedeen Army on a Web site frequently used by militant groups. The message's authenticity could not be independently verified. The statement was addressed to "you dog of Rome" and threatens to "shake your thrones and break your crosses in your home."


    Full statement by Vatican Secretary of State Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone on Pope Benedict XVI's response to Muslim anger over a speech he gave in Germany Tuesday... the pontiff was "very sorry" if he offended the sensibilities of Muslims worldwide.


    On Sunday, September 17th the pontiff said, " I am deeply sorry for the reactions in some countries to a few passages of my address at the University of Regensburg, which were considered offensive to the sensibility of Muslims."


    At his weekly audience in St Peters Square on Wednesday, September 22, the pope said, "I wished to explain that not religion and violence but religion and reason go together," he said.

    On Monday, September 25, at Castel Gandalfo, the summer palace, Pope Benedict met with 21 ambassadors of Muslim countries as well as leaders of Italy's own Muslim community.



    Addressing the 21 Muslim diplomats, the pope did say that Christians and Muslims must work together to “guard against all forms of intolerance and to oppose all manifestations of violence.” Among predominantly Muslim nations with diplomatic relations to the Vatican, only Sudan did not participate in the meeting. Saudi Arabia does not have diplomatic relations with the Holy See.



    Muslims considered what the pope said to be "tajdif" (blasphemy). Furthermore, the timing of the speech was just before Ramadan, the holy month of fasting. Dates for Ramadan 2006 (or the Islamic year of 1427 are September 24th thru October 23rd.

    Some contemporary evangelical Christian leaders such as Jerry Falwell and Jerry Vines have called Muhammad "a terrorist" and a "demon possessed pedophile who had twelve wives". Daniel Pipes sees Muhammad as a politician, stating that "because Muhammad created a new community, the religion that was its raison d'etre had to meet the political needs of its adherents." By contrast, Pope Benedict quoting Manuel II seems quite mild but because Islam is a theocratic system where there is no separation of religion and state, what the pope said has more relevance to them.

    Here is what Robbie Burns wrote and I think it can also be applied to jihaddists of today although it was written for Christians:

    "On Thanksgiving For A National Victory"

    Ye hypocrites are these your pranks

    to murder men and give God thanks?

    Desist, for shame proceed no further

    God does ne want your thanks for murder.

    Yah, I know, there is no compulsion in religion (2:256) and Islam is a peaceful religion. Taqiyah.

    The one page essay by Dr. Walid Phares, "Islamic concept of Al-Taqiyah to infiltrate and destroy kafir countries" explains how a convert will become a terrorist:


    Phares states, "It [taqiyah] is done to prevent the new converts from seeing the real face of Islam; at least until their faith or mental conditioning is strong enough to make them turn against their own country and people."

    Not all Muslims blow up things, yet "jihad in the cause of Allah" "jihad fee sybil Allah" is "fard ayn" "compulsory duty" for all Muslims. Why? There are rules from the Quran for combattive jihad.


    Islam is insidious, it encroaches on a culture slowly and deliberately. Here is a document which discusses the progression of Islam in great detail (50+ pages) -- "From dawa to jihad - the various threats from radical Islam to the democratic legal order":


    Among Muslims there are those who:

    a) jihad in the path of Allah with their wealth and their lives (including those who sit at home but give asylum to mujahidin 4:74) = true Muslim

    b) those who sit at home (and do not give asylum to mujahidin or jihad in the path of Allah)

    c) the handicapped (does not count as a category)

    According to the Qur'an who is a true believer?

    3:140 If you have sustained a wound, _ (a blow in the battlefield) _ others too have suffered a similar kind of wound, earlier. These are the vicissitudes of life that We circulate among mankind by turns. Thus, Allah tests the true believers among you, so He may pick the martyrs among you. Allah does not like the wrongdoers.

    4:95 The two are not equal: those who sit at home (and do not join the fighting) _ unless they have a reason; they are handicapped _ and those who [jihad] strive hard in the path of Allah with their wealth and lives. Over those who sit at home, Allah has excelled and elevated to a higher honor those who strive hard with their wealth and lives.

    Compared to those who sit at home, Allah will award a far greater reward to those who wage a struggle.

    8:74 Those who believed, left their homes and waged a struggle for the cause of Allah as well as those who helped and protected them are really the true believers. There is forgiveness for them and a generous rewards.

    49:15 The (true) believers are actually those who believe in Allah and His messenger and then do not waver (and do not entertain doubts). With their wealth and their lives, they strive for the sake of Allah. Such are truly the sincere ones

    9:86 As soon as a chapter (of the Qur’an) is revealed (instructing them), “Believe in Allah and wage a struggle along with His messenger” the able bodied (and well to do) among them ask to be exempted. They say, “Leave us (behind). Let us be among those who sit at home

    Killing (qitl) and jihad in the cause of Allah is the hallmark of true Muslim believers. It is not a matter of moderate or fanatic. It is the distinction of a true believer or a rebel.

    4:76 Those who believe, do fight for the sake of Allah, while those who reject faith (Islam) fight for the cause of ‘taghut’ _ (all rebellious forces aligned against Allah). So, fight against the minions of Shaitan. Feeble indeed is the wily guile of Shaitan!

    Does this include atomic weapons?

    8:60 Acquire and prepare all the (military) strength you can muster, including the finest trained horses (and other military wares). With that, you would daunt and deter the enemies of Allah _ your enemies, and others besides them. You do not know them, but Allah (surely) knows them. Anything you spend in the path of Allah will be returned to you in full. You will not be wronged (at all).

    2:216 Warfare (for the sake of Allah) has been ordained for you, though it is not something you like. It is possible that the thing you detest might just (turn out to) be good for you. It is possible that the thing you like (the most) might in reality be bad for you. Allah knows (all) while you know nothing (at all)!

    4:74 Those who have traded away the life of this world for (the benefits of) the life-to-come, ought to fight for the sake of Allah. To anyone who fights for the sake of Allah, We will award the most generous reward whether he is killed (in the process) or comes out victorious.

    These verses from the Qur'an can give us insight into the mind of a Muslim believer and the peaceful religion of Islam. Do read the entire sura from which they were extracted to get the entire context of the verses. It may make a difference

  • Don K
    Lv 5
    1 decade ago

    There is really not much to it. He simply told the truth about Islam being evil. Went something like anything new that Mohammad brought to the table was nothing but evil. It pissed off a bunch of babies in the middle east which had a tantrum and burnt 7 Churches and shot a little old lady in the back that was taking care of Muslim children. She was and elderly nun. If I remember right she was 72 years old.

    Shows what a peaceful and caring religion the Muslims and Islam project to the rest of the world.

    It is really hard for me to believe you don't know about that. It has been on the news as much as the Muslims of Islam kill 3000 people on 911.

  • 1 decade ago

    The pope insulted the Islamic religion and has brought trouble upon himself for being insensitive. His timing is very poor. Mohammad is very holy to the Muslims and Pope Benedict cited some emperor "startling brusqueness" in telling the Muslim, "Show me just what Mohammad brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." Like Catholicism is so much better.

    Source(s): some catholic paper online
  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    He basically took some old lines saying islam was evil. They're burning effigies of the pope again; I'm sure fundemtalists do that all the time

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  • 1 decade ago

    In a recent speech he quoted a historical text that called muslims evil.

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