Anonymous asked in Society & CultureReligion & Spirituality · 1 decade ago

Do you think pope was wrong for saying what he said?

Should he say sorry?

i have no religon?

I think he should say sorry


to the muslims world

11 Answers

  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago
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    The pope said nothing wrong. He apologized twice although he did not need to.

    On Tuesday, September 12th, Pope Benedict XVI made a speech on "Faith and Reason" at the University of Regensburg in Germany and quoted from writings of an erudite 14th Century Byzantine Christian Emperor, Manuel II Palaiologos. Manuel II took notes during his dialogs in 1391 with the Persian Muderris at Ankara and his notebooks were preserved as the "Twenty-six Dialogs with a Persian" on the "truths of Christianity and Islam". The pontiff quoted Manuel II who said that spreading the faith through violence is unreasonable and that acting without reason was against God's nature.

    Manuel II's empire had been conquerored by Muslims and was made to pay the jizyah (submission tribute) so naturally he experienced Islam at its worst. Between 1379 and 1402 Byzantium had paid 690,000 hyperpyra (or 345,000 ducats) to the Ottomans.

    The pontiff said, "Speaking about the issue of jihad, holy war, the emperor [Manuel II] said, 'Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached.'"

    "Violence is incompatible with the nature of God and the nature of the soul," added the pontiff in his own words.

    Muslim reaction to that speech spanned from outrage to violence against nuns and churches. An Iraqi insurgent group threatened the Vatican with a suicide attack over the pope's remarks on Islam, according to a statement posted Saturday on the Web.

    "We swear to God to send you people who adore death as much as you adore life," said the message posted in the name of the Mujahedeen Army on a Web site frequently used by militant groups. The message's authenticity could not be independently verified. The statement was addressed to "you dog of Rome" and threatens to "shake your thrones and break your crosses in your home."

    Full statement by Vatican Secretary of State Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone on Pope Benedict XVI's response to Muslim anger over a speech he gave in Germany Tuesday... the pontiff was "very sorry" if he offended the sensibilities of Muslims worldwide.

    On Sunday, September 17th the pontiff said, " I am deeply sorry for the reactions in some countries to a few passages of my address at the University of Regensburg, which were considered offensive to the sensibility of Muslims."

    Pope Benedict has the right to speak, he can certainly quote from the Bible and he can quote former Popes. His "apology" that he regrets Muslims became upset is appropriate because Muslims are always offended and humiliated whenever anything is said about Islam that is unflattering.

    Pope Benedict made the comments in a speech at the University of Regensburg which was probably a written speech and his remarks were probably carefully researched and edited. In my opinion, the quote was appropriate for the times of the Crusades. The quote also seems applicable to Islamic jihhadists today.

    Of course Muslims are outraged. It is a tenet of Islam that any time the religion is attacked that all Muslims have a duty to defend it. Violence gets attention. The timing of the speech is just before Ramadan. (Dates for Ramadan 2006 (or the Islamic year of 1427) are September 24th thru October 23rd.)

    I wonder what level of protection the Swiss guards at the Vatican provide? What kind of weapons do they have?

    Some contemporary evangelical Christian leaders such as Jerry Falwell and Jerry Vines have called Muhammad "a terrorist" and a "demon possessed pedophile who had twelve wives". Daniel Pipes sees Muhammad as a politician, stating that "because Muhammad created a new community, the religion that was its raison d'etre had to meet the political needs of its adherents." By contrast, Pope Benedict quoting Manual II is quite mild.

    Here is what Robbie Burns wrote and I think it can also be applied to jihaddists of today although it was written for Christians:

    "On Thanksgiving For A National Victory"

    Ye hypocrites are these your pranks

    to murder men and give God thanks?

    Desist, for shame proceed no further

    God does ne want your thanks for murder.

    Yah, I know, there is no compulsion in religion (2:256) and Islam is a peaceful religion. Taqiyah.

    The one page essay by Dr. Walid Phares, "Islamic concept of Al-Taqiyah to infiltrate and destroy kafir countries" explains how a convert will become a terrorist:

    Phares states, "It [taqiyah] is done to prevent the new converts from seeing the real face of Islam; at least until their faith or mental conditioning is strong enough to make them turn against their own country and people."

    Not all Muslims blow up things, yet "jihad in the cause of Allah" "jihad fee sybil Allah" is "fard ayn" "compulsory duty" for all Muslims. Why? There are rules from the Quran for combattive jihad. Read this:

    What does the tape from Gadahn mean? Does anyone realize that Muslims are supposed to "dawa" "invite others to Islam" before jihad?

    According to al-Mawardi an 11th Century Shafi'i jurist:

    The mushrikun [infidels] of Dar al-Harb (the arena of battle) are of two types: First, those whom the call of Islam has reached, but they have refused it and have taken up arms.… Second, those whom the invitation to Islam has not reached, although such persons are few nowadays since Allah has made manifest the call of his Messenger…it is forbidden to…begin an attack before explaining the invitation to Islam to them, informing them of the miracles of the Prophet and making plain the proofs so as to encourage acceptance on their part; if they still refuse to accept after this, war is waged against them and they are treated as those whom the call has reached…

    In the Hidayah, vol. II. p. 140 (Hanafi school):

    It is not lawful to make war upon any people who have never before been called to the faith, without previously requiring them to embrace it, because the Prophet so instructed his commanders, directing them to call the infidels to the faith, and also because the people will hence perceive that they are attacked for the sake of religion, and not for the sake of taking their property, or making slaves of their children, and on this consideration it is possible that they may be induced to agree to the call, in order to save themselves from the troubles of war… If the infidels, upon receiving the call, neither consent to it nor agree to pay capitation tax, it is then incumbent on the Muslims to call upon God for assistance, and to make war upon them, because God is the assistant of those who serve Him, and the destroyer of His enemies, the infidels, and it is necessary to implore His aid upon every occasion; the Prophet, moreover, commands us so to do."

    Islam is insidious, it encroaches on a culture slowly and deliberately. Here is a document which discusses the progression of Islam in great detail (50+ pages) -- "From dawa to jihad - the various threats from radical Islam to the democratic legal order":

    Among Muslims there are those who:

    a) jihad in the path of Allah with their wealth and their lives (including those who sit at home but give asylum to mujahidin 4:74) = true Muslim

    b) those who sit at home (and do not give asylum to mujahidin or jihad in the path of Allah)

    c) the handicapped (does not count as a category)

    According to the Qur'an who is a true believer?

    3:140 If you have sustained a wound, _ (a blow in the battlefield) _ others too have suffered a similar kind of wound, earlier. These are the vicissitudes of life that We circulate among mankind by turns. Thus, Allah tests the true believers among you, so He may pick the martyrs among you. Allah does not like the wrongdoers.

    4:95 The two are not equal: those who sit at home (and do not join the fighting) _ unless they have a reason; they are handicapped _ and those who [jihad] strive hard in the path of Allah with their wealth and lives. Over those who sit at home, Allah has excelled and elevated to a higher honor those who strive hard with their wealth and lives.

    Compared to those who sit at home, Allah will award a far greater reward to those who wage a struggle.

    8:74 Those who believed, left their homes and waged a struggle for the cause of Allah as well as those who helped and protected them are really the true believers. There is forgiveness for them and a generous rewards.

    49:15 The (true) believers are actually those who believe in Allah and His messenger and then do not waver (and do not entertain doubts). With their wealth and their lives, they strive for the sake of Allah. Such are truly the sincere ones

    9:86 As soon as a chapter (of the Qur’an) is revealed (instructing them), “Believe in Allah and wage a struggle along with His messenger” the able bodied (and well to do) among them ask to be exempted. They say, “Leave us (behind). Let us be among those who sit at home

    Killing (qitl) and jihad in the cause of Allah is the hallmark of true Muslim believers. It is not a matter of moderate or fanatic. It is the distinction of a true believer or a rebel.

    4:76 Those who believe, do fight for the sake of Allah, while those who reject faith (Islam) fight for the cause of ‘taghut’ _ (all rebellious forces aligned against Allah). So, fight against the minions of Shaitan. Feeble indeed is the wily guile of Shaitan!

    Does this include atomic weapons?

    8:60 Acquire and prepare all the (military) strength you can muster, including the finest trained horses (and other military wares). With that, you would daunt and deter the enemies of Allah _ your enemies, and others besides them. You do not know them, but Allah (surely) knows them. Anything you spend in the path of Allah will be returned to you in full. You will not be wronged (at all).

    2:216 Warfare (for the sake of Allah) has been ordained for you, though it is not something you like. It is possible that the thing you detest might just (turn out to) be good for you. It is possible that the thing you like (the most) might in reality be bad for you. Allah knows (all) while you know nothing (at all)!

    4:74 Those who have traded away the life of this world for (the benefits of) the life-to-come, ought to fight for the sake of Allah. To anyone who fights for the sake of Allah, We will award the most generous reward whether he is killed (in the process) or comes out victorious.

    These verses from the Qur'an can give us insight into the mind of a Muslim believer and the peaceful religion of Islam. Do read the entire sura from which they were extracted to get the entire context of the verses. It may make a difference.

  • 1 decade ago

    I actually read the transcript of what he said (word for word) before the world reacted to it. I think he was very respectful. In truth, I was worried that the world might take the one line out of context and make it to seem as though the Pope was attacking Islam. I thought this might happen not because it was reasonable, but because I saw the world's reaction to the cartoons (about which Benedict XVI spoke out against) only a year earlier. Unfortunately, my fears proved valid.

    So, I guess what I am saying in essence is this: if the pope truly had said what he is being accused of, I agree that he should apologize. But, having read the entire transcript of what he wrote (which, by the way, was mostly about secularism), I think he spoke truth. I don't think it is moral to apologize for truth, although I do think we can apologize for the misinterpretation or the reaction to truth...which the pope has done. I think he has done all he can without being dishonest in reaction to his lecture.

    I include a link to the full transcript below in case anyone reading this is interested. Thanks for reading my thoughts and God Bless!

  • 1 decade ago

    If he believes that Islam really encourages and propogates violence, like the person he quoted, then no, he should not apologize at all. But he should be prepared for a massive blow-back. And he will deserve it - what else would you expect when the leader of one religion essentially calls another religion evil?

    If, on the other hand, it was really a mistake and he was just trying to make a point, then yes, he absolutely should apologize. What's more he should apologize fully and completely, saying that he realizes now that his words were hurtful, it was wrong of him to say them, and that he personally does not believe Islam to intrinsically be a creed of violence. I believe even his religion requires an act of contrition before forgiveness can really occur!

    We all know that Christians don't exactly like it when its pointed out that they were responsible for the bloody crusades whose purpose was conversion at the point of a sword. The Christians will point out that those are historical, not present, examples, or even when modern examples are provided, they will say that it represents and extreme fringe and not everybody. How can Christans then condemn all of Islam if only a part (even if that part is 99%) is violent? It would be the sheerest hypocrisy.

  • 1 decade ago

    It's like a "Wife Beating" situation.

    When a man is a wife beater he is convincing to his friends and family that he is good and that his wife is a bad animal. Should the wife stand up and say, "In the past you hit me", then he will use this to fuel his anger. As we have seen, the Muslims in the Palestinian area's did lash out and attack. Sure, as always, the wife say's "Deeply Sorry", but he is an angry man is still beating her because he is plagued with the evil one. Violence is his sin.

    This is because sin fuels itself with it's lust for its sin.

    Listen to the violent words of Muslims: "We shall break the cross and spill the wine ... God will (help) Muslims to conquer Rome ... (May) God enable us to slit their throats, and make their money and descendants the bounty of the mujahideen," said the statement, posted on Sunday on an Internet site often used by al Qaeda and other militant groups. <1>

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  • 1 decade ago

    No - the man quoted history. He said nothing wrong. If stating the truth is wrong, and he didn't have the courage to state the truth; he has no business being the Pope.

    However, he might not have spoken about that subject. But he did - and since he did; he should not appolgize for it. As the Muslim people have reacted violently - I think it validated what he said - and proved that what history said about Muslims is true.

    Looks to me like the Pope was dead on... and I am not even Catholic.

  • marje
    Lv 4
    4 years ago

    I m muslim and that i m respectful to all different religions that have faith in God yet I dont care approximately pope. who's pope and how can he be sacred by making use of the determination of a form committee? He may well be an important guy purely for the Christians. purely Moses, Jesus and the final Mohammed(s.a.v.) are the sacred human by making use of the determination of Allah as u be responsive to. properly, the pope mentioned actual or incorrect. think of with reference to the ignorant and uneducated non secular people interior the international, oftentimes yet regrettably they have been provoked by making use of his speech. Of corz everybody is loose to assert the ideas yet some important men as pope could be extra carefuly. for my section, he mentioned his theory truthfully to electrify the muslim people and regrettably he be triumphant. i think of "Jihad" is of corz pointless for his stupid speech.

  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    The Pope spoke truthfully ...why do you think Muslims are persecuting him?

    Just like the Pharisees who opposed Jesus,

    Muslims apparently cannot handle an open frank discussion.

  • 1 decade ago

    Not at all. It's about time someone speaks up against Muslims/Islamic practice of violence.

  • 1 decade ago

    I don't think he should apologize for what he said, only the way in which he conveyed it.

  • 1 decade ago

    He told it like it is.

  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago
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