# What Exactly Is The Universe Expanding Into?

How can the universe be expanding into nothing when nothing is something even.

Matter is something, but even something with no matter is not nothing--

--Even a void with no matter-- the something that we see as nothing has to be something. It cannot be nothing!

Is it the fact that we cannot comprehend nothing? Or is the fact that we don't know a damn thing to be able to comprehend what nothing is exactly.. Nothing must be something. Even 0 is something. 2 minus 2 equals zero, not N/A or null. 0 is a number.. An unusual one at that. To label zero as nothing is practically an insult.

So, what is this something that is viewed as nothing the universe is expanding into?

Any ideas? Theories? Throw some wild explanations at me.. I'm just curious.

--Rob :)

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The VOID is your "nothing" that your talking about it is also called the 3rd demension. It is whats outside of the "universe". What you are also proposing by saying 0 is "something" is just that we human's have to have a name for everything (ex: 0, nothing, everything) even if it dosen't exist.

Heres my theory:

There are two universe, a negative and a positive universe. Both do not exist, because of quantum mechanics. We are either in the negative or the positive but we can't tell because none of us have crossed univereses. Quantum mechanics state that we can't locate the place or time of a particle, so if we cant it dosen't exist. That is why it dosen't exist. In the relative theory it says that everything exist, this is also true, because relativity is what holds everything together its what you would call the source of the expansion, (and limitation) of the growing universe.

So Relativity is the boundries and Quantum is whats inside.

There are up to 3 "true demensions" the one we live in (we will call it the postive universe), the one the negative people live in (we will call it the negative universe), and the Void. The Void is where nothing is, absolutelly nothing no creation, no light, no darkness. It is the place outside of both universe. The other demensions 1-2 (up and down, flat) are imaginary. The 3rd demesion is the Void where time is not, the 4th demsion is the postive demsion (it would be argurable that the 4th and 5th demesions should both be called 4th 1 and 2 because they have the same attributes), and the the 5th demension the negative demension.

How do we mesure this? With Kelvin scale, 0 degrees Kelvin (absolute zero) is also a form of the Void, it is the cross refrence where 4th and 5th demensions meet. (Thus the Void is inside of everything and outside of everything [nothing] at the same time). On the Negative Kelvin scale is where the negative universe is, on the postive side is where the positive universe is. However we cannot cross the boundry without the existance of black holes, and white holes. They are the key, but once sucked into a black hole matter is turned to energy and then spat out of the white hole as matter (negative matter). White holes also suck things up (out of the negative universe) and then they are spat out as positive matter into our universe (out of black holes). This is also the theory that connects Quantum mechanics and Relativity.

Ok its my theory but everything agrees with it.

• Anonymous

Nothing is nothing. It is hard to imagine. No atoms, no photons, no gluons, no quantums of light, just Nothing. 0 and 1 cannot co-exist. As soon as there is 1, 0 no longer exists.

Nothing is infinite. As soon as there is a quantum of light, Nothing does not exist. The force inside Nothing is a vacuum which is the only thing that exists in Nothing but the vacuum does nothing until there is something. The moment something appears, the vacuum expands it to fill the vacuum and the vacuum no longer exists.

Scientists do not know that the universe is expanding. They only know that things are moving in relation to each other because there is no single point of reference other than the one they imagine.

The Big Bang theory is invalid because it does not consider Nothing. It says that there musta been something compressed into a single point a few centimeters across that exploded due to its compression and created the universe. The forces in a vacuum are not compressive. They are expansive. A vacuum expands things to fill the vacuum. Gravity is the only force that compresses things but only exists when there is something. Gravity and a vacuum oppose each other and do not co-exist. So where did this point that became compressed that musta been there come from and how did it become compressed? It appeared in some one's imagination. These are pretty big, illogical, musta beens. We are now spending billions, collecting information, that supports a theory that is, as Einstein put it, based on sand. The sand will wash away as soon as the tide comes in.

Scientists refuse to consider the vacuum because it is bewildering and terrorizes their theories. They also refuse to consider infinity because it has no value and makes all formulas and equations invalid. Infinity never arrived at a number and never will arrive at a number. 0, like infinity, is not a number. It is a concept that represents that there is no number. Infinity is not a changing number because for a number to change, it must first be a number. They say that the universe cannot be infinite because it had to have a beginning which suggests that it must have an end.

Scientists cannot have it both ways. They cannot say that there was something, ignoring the vacuum, and then say that the universe is expanding into nothing, acknowledging the vacuum. If there is Nothing, there was Nothing.

0+Infinity=Infinity. 1+Infinity=Infinity. But, they are two different states of Infinity which cannot co-exist. 0+0=0. 0+1=1. 0/1=(you cannot divide nothing). 1/0=Infinity. Since Nothing, the vacuum, was infinite and was eliminated the moment something appeared, that something became infinite at the moment it appeared.

Nothing no longer exists and the universe is infinite.

I've been wondering the same thing myself. Personally I just don't see how the Big Bang theory can work because, like you said, how can the universe be expanding into nothing?

I don't think even the scientists who back the theory can fully comprehend the concept of "nothing." Nothing is just that: nothing. It is not a lot of empty space, it is not something that you can see or touch. Nothing is the absense of anything.

If the universe is really expanding then there must be something for it to expand into. And if there is something for the universe to expand into, then there is something "on the other side" of the universe. This creates a paradox since the term "universe" refers to everything in existence. If the universe contains everything in existence, then there can't be anything else outside of it (except maybe for another universe if you subscribe to that idea).

In summary, I just can't accept the Big Bang theory. Personally, I believe that the universe had no beginning and is infinite. I find this idea easier to accept, though I can't back it up with scientific reasoning.

Okay. Here's the less philosophical but more scientific answer.

There are four possibilities for what the universe does at the end:

One is the hubble constant keeps increasing. This would mean that the universe will expand faster and faster.

The ultimate result of this is that it will expand so fast the universe tears itself apart at the atomic scale. All matter is ripped into oblivion and spread across infinity.

Second, is that the hubble constant stays the same, or increases, but at a slower pace. This means that the universe still expands, and cools (from radiating light) as it does. Ultimately, it cools into a cold soup of brown planets floating in an empty void.

Third is that the hubble constant decreases a bit. This will allow for the Universe to possibly start to shrink again, and fuse into one big black hole.

Finally, and this is one that Nietzsche would have loved if he knew about it (okay so maybe a BIT philosophical): The hubble constant takes a huge turn and shrinks drastically, all matter collapses into one point again, and then another big bang occurs and we get to live life over again.

all the matter (not dark matter,, what is in between actual particles of the smallest matter) is in the universe. The universe is expanding due to the "big bang", akin to a drop in a pool. Eventually the ripple will snap back on itself, so really the universe is not expanding, but is in a constant state of flux, that is expanding and then retracting. We cannot percive or whitness this in our limited minds and time on the earth. Beyond the "rim" of the universe, that is all matter on this plane of existence, is that dark matter, which in itself is it's own universe.

Also, do not think of the universe as a globe or sphere, it could be a long coil or tube, like an inner tube.

Well, this is a difficult one and the answer is, of course, we don't know. It could be expanding into a void or into other universes. Try reading Paul Davies, Carl Sagan or even Stephen Hawkins. The Russian Astro-physicists also cover this area and are, mostly, in opposition to Hawkins theories. It could be expanding into anti-matter (unlikely) or light or simply an empty void containing no matter whatsoever.

well...space-time is expanding, but space-time itself seems to have originated in the big bang. space-time is four-dimensional, but if you can imagine a two-dimensional version then space-time seems to be something like the surface of a sphere. nothing, not even space-time, exists "outside" the universe. to quote a dead writer, "there's no there, there". the big bang was not an explosion of matter in empty space-time. the big bang was the entire universe, and everywhere in the universe was once the big bang.

look here:

http://www.sciam.com/print_version.cfm?articleID=0...