asked in 政治與政府軍隊 · 2 decades ago

EF2000 vs F22

歐洲 EF2000 又稱「颱風」式戰鬥機及美國 F22 戰鬥機, 您覺得何者較強?

Update:

又請教您:歐洲 EF-2000 戰鬥機與美國 F22 戰鬥機有模擬對決過嗎?

Update 2:

感謝α♂熱心回答,若真的F-22較強,可以發展兩隻EF-2000打一隻F-22之戰術嗎?這樣有勝算嗎?反之,若反而是F-22較弱,可以發展兩隻F-22打一隻EF-2000之戰術嗎?這樣有勝算嗎?leeblade謝謝α♂及大家!

Update 3:

目前歐洲的EF-2000颱風式戰機可瞬間產生15G的加速,這樣都無法佔些優勢嗎?

Update 4:

感謝α♂、簡直是滿分、lis29570熱心的回答及漂泊異鄉人、小建的寶貴意見,看樣子答案已見分曉。又若F-22穩居榜首,EF-2000可堪稱第二嗎?有任何飛行物之戰鬥力可擊敗他們,或與之匹敵嗎?謝謝以上諸位及大家。Thanks! Again.

Update 5:

EF-2000與EFA-2000是同一隻嗎?

Update 6:

再次感謝α♂、簡直是滿分、lis29570熱心的回答及漂泊異鄉人、小建、普通人的寶貴意見,看樣子答案已見分曉。又請教若F-22戰鬥力穩居榜首,EF-2000可堪稱第二嗎?有任何飛行物之戰鬥力可擊敗F-22、EF-2000,或與之匹敵嗎?謝謝以上諸位及大家。Thanks! Again!

Update 7:

據估計,EF2000單價為1億德國馬克(6670萬美元),那歐盟不會覺得千辛萬苦的經典之作,哪知碰到F-22,結果不堪一擊,萬念俱灰嗎?那可能有哪種地對空飛彈或艦對空飛彈可威脅也就是擊落F-22嗎?再次感謝α♂、簡直是滿分、lis29570、漂泊異鄉人、小建、普通人。謝謝以上諸位及大家!

Update 8:

題目已近尾聲,再次感謝α♂、簡直是滿分、lis29570、漂泊異鄉人、小建、普通人熱心的回答及寶貴意見。謝謝以上諸位及大家!最後一個問題,我個人認為EF-2000外型比較像人類製造飛行物的極致。而F-22外型比較像外星飛行物,有可能F-22是外星人協助美國發展出來的嗎?謝謝大家!

Update 9:

題目已近尾聲,再次感謝α♂、簡直是滿分、lis29570、漂泊異鄉人、小建、普通人熱心的回答及寶貴意見。以上諸位之解答及意見對我助益皆非常大,現在我將最佳解答選擇再託付給大家。Thanks again!

10 Answers

Rating
  • 2 decades ago
    Favorite Answer

    It is certainly F22. F22 is the air dominant fighter. US wanted the plane to have the absolute dominance over other jet fighers. EF 2000 has larger radar cross section. That means it will be found by the F22 before it can even find the F22. So F22 can fire the missile to shoot it down before it even know F22 is there. F22 currently has supercruise, but EF2000 will have super cruise in the future. The key to win a air combat is the situation awareness (SA), and F22 is far ahead of others on this at this point.

    ==================================

    If you can't see your enemy, it will be hard to fight. It's like fighting a ghost. I think there was a test between F15 and F22. The result was something like 3 F22 can shoot down 15 or 16 F15. I can't remember the exact number, but that's the result of the test. US has longer range of missiles, so it can fire the missiles before the enemy is even aware of the situation. It will be an unfair fight. But in a war, who cares about fairness.

    ==================================

    To 簡直是滿分 :

    F15 is a jet fighter. F22 cannot pull 15G. I don't think any of the jet fighters can pull 15G. As far as I can remember, some missiles can have 12G turn. Most of the pilot would blackout at 8-9G. It's not easy to dodge the missile, since the missile can explode when it gets close to the plane, and the shrapnels from the explosion would bring the plane down. The longer range missiles on the the F22 can set up way points. So you don't have to shoot directly to the target. You can send the missile to different direction, then change the direction half way. That way, the enemy would not know where you are. With greater SA, you can play a mind game with your enemy.

    ==================================

    To 小建 :

    EF2000 is actually smaller than F22, but the radar cross section of EF2000 is larger than F22. So on the radar, F22 is smaller than EF2000, but F22 is a bigger jet fighter physically.

    ==================================

    EF2000 and EFA 2000 are essentially the same. The A stands for Aircraft. The name of the project has been named and renamed several times. It's been known as EFA (European Fighter Aircraft), Eurofighter, EF2000 (Eurofighter 2000), and most recently Typhoon.

    ==================================

    To win the air combat is not just the performance of the plane, but the overall teamwork. Most of the battles are fought in the BVR (Beyond Visual Range) scenario. So you would need to have good electronics, good EWACS and good missiles.

    As for maneuverability, I think Russia's Su37 is the best out there, even better than F22. But in the air combat, it's not just the maneuverability that counts. Su37 is huge, it's very easy to be detected.

    ==================================

    EF2000 is still a very good fighter aircraft. The thing is, it is extremely unlikely that it would go against F22. Eurofighter did not emphasize on the stealth feature from the beginning. And it did not have the financial budget like US F22 to make the absolute best fighter in the world, but it is not a bad one. As for missiles to shoot down F22, well, if you can't find it, how are you going to shoot it down? F22 is a air dominant fighter. It will remove all threats, then other planes can go in to bolmb the land targets like hell. So far, the only active program that is going against F22 is from China. China is also developing a stealth fighter, but it probably won't have the supercruise feature. China's engine technology is still lagging behind, but they are catching up fast.

    ===========================

    Sounds like you really want to shoot down the F22. Well, it will be hard, since US has controlled over satellites and most of the radar stations in the world, and AWACS to pass on the info to the combat information system. F22 does not need to turn on it's radar to acquire enemy's location. So if you really want to go to war with US, you would have to neutralize all technological advantages that US has. That way, you can even the playing field. And in that case, the numerical superiority would be the name of the game.... So if you want to go to war with US, you can send a lot of EMPs and Neutron bombs to reduce/eliminate US technological advantages. Well, in that case, you are talking about WWIII.... No one would want to see that...

    ==================================

    Leeblade,

    No, it's engineered by human beings only. I am sure of that. The design is really not difficult, but the manufacturing process is difficult. YF-23 actually look stealthier (and cooler looking) than F22, but it didn't win the contract. F22 is more agile than YF23 during the test. The design of F22 also allows the thrust vectoring nozzles to be added. There was no thrust vectoring during the test, and YF23's exhaust design was to reduce the heat signature, harder to add the thrust vectoring stuff.

    By the way, the Y in the YF22 means experimental. F22 is not a experimental aircraft any more, so there is no Y designation in front of it.

    The engine for F22 is manufactured with super high precision machinary equipment. The overall error tolerance is under 1/2,000 of an inch, but a lot of parts are falled within 1/10,000 of an inch tolerance. It is so expensive to make them, perhaps it is the last piloted jet fighter. The future development will be in UAV and Rotocraft UAV. It will be super stealthy!

    2005-04-24 17:57:13 補充:

    漂泊異鄉人, F35 is JSF. It is not as good as F22, but it could be better than EF2000. The design is not complete... It's the economic jet fighter. As for Rafale, it's under-powered in comparison. Not too many countries can make good engines.

    2005-04-29 14:48:23 補充:

    簡直是滿分, Russian's new stealth project lacks of funds. Everything is still on the drawing board. China on the other hand got a model in the wind tunnel already. But Russian is much weaker in terms of advanced avionics.

    Source(s): Because I know...
  • 1 decade ago

    http://video.yahoo.com/watch/256445/1962010

    這影片看了你會愛上EF2000喔!

  • 英文看不懂

  • 1 decade ago

    基本上F-22擁有強大的匿蹤.電子能力.....當F-22雷達偵測到EF-2000時.....EF-2000還混然不知....最後的結果....當然是被擊落啊!!!目前以EF-2000的能力,也可是說是當今的戰機中的數一數二了!!!唯一的遺憾是,由於研發的時間過長.....導致研發成功時.....人家也已經研發更好的戢機了

  • How do you think about the answers? You can sign in to vote the answer.
  • Anonymous
    2 decades ago
  • Anonymous
    2 decades ago

    2打1也不見得打贏f22吧,還沒飛到就被f22視距外擊落了

  • 2 decades ago

    補上面:ef2000太大隻了,在雷達上是很大的目標,相較於f22雖然無法隱匿其熱輻射,但是光在雷達鎖定及搜索就有很大的差別了!!

  • 2 decades ago

    F-22是匿踨的 F-22偷偷的摸到EF-2000的背後 鎖定 發射 搞定

    好像相當的不公平 EF-2000可能會連怎麼死的都不知道

    Source(s):
  • Anonymous
    2 decades ago

    在一般狀況下 2打1佔有絕對優勢又不是海將田 可以一次跟兩個打 還打贏---15G 前提是飛行員要能承受的住吧 要不然那只是字面上的東西而已這當然可以佔一些優勢在飛彈接近時 瞬間動作 讓飛彈尋標系統鎖不到飛機---EFA-2000這個不知道 抱歉...(從網路找到的跟這差很多)我想可能會吧 花了大打金錢跟心血弄出來的東西 比不是人家不過EF-2000好像比F-22更早研發 所以這樣比較 有點不太公平威脅到F-22也是有 紅外線導引飛彈 雖然已經降低很多紅外線輻射量不過如果一次打一大堆出去 總也會有幾顆會K到的

    2005-04-28 12:37:33 補充:

    不只F-35,Rafale

    還有俄製飛機

    Su側衛式家族

  • 2 decades ago

    超音速巡航,隱形能力,較高機動性(向量噴嘴)等都是F-22的絕對優勢

    2005-04-24 12:33:02 補充:

    所謂文無第一,武無第二

    要爭第二還有F-35,Rafale等在爭呢

Still have questions? Get your answers by asking now.