Want to know who the supposed Madara Uchiha truely is?

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I believe that the supposed Madara Uchiha who attacked Konoha and created the akatski isn't really the orginal Madara Uchiha who helped to found Konoha. Obito Uchiha is really the man behind the mask.

First of all, in manga chapter 502, Minato confirms that the man in the mask is not Madara. He ask him if he is Madara Uchiha but then says he can't be because Madara is dead. To which the man in the mask replys, "well... Who knows?..." Minato then says that it's not important who he is but instead asks him why he is attacking Konoha. The man then replys that it was both a "whim... and a plan both for war and for peace".

In manga chapter 241, Kakashi and Obito are arguing about whether or not to save thier team mate Rin. kakashi tells him that shinobi that abandon the mission and break the rules are scum to which Obito replys " Sure in a ninja's world those who violate the rules and fail to follow orders are lower than garbage.... If I'm scum the rules are no good to me and if breaking them makes me the wrong kind of shinobi then I'll crush all the so-called shinobi." This hints at a darker side of Obito and perhaps the beginnings of his master plan to cause destruction to bring peace. Remember, he did grow up during the third great shinobi war.

While fighting, Minato also comments on how the man is similar to Madara but not him. Also, it becomes evidant that the man in the mask knows how Minato fights. He also had a careful and systematic plan in place to get Minato out of the way so he could take Kushina captive in order to extract the nine tailed fox. When Minato reacted the way he did when the man threatned the newborn Naruto, the man comments on how he expected that from the yellow flash, implying he knew a little bit about his personilty.

Minato was Obito's teacher so it would make sense that Obito was familiar with the Fourth's persoanlity and fighting style.

Also the man in the mask has the ability to control space and time with his sharingan. He has displayed sevreal times this technique when he sucked his enemies into a swirling vortex created by his sharingan. Kakashi's Kamui is similar. When chasing down Deidara, he sucked Deidara's arm into a swriling vortex and ripped it off, sending it into some other demension.

Kakashi got his Sharingan from Obito so it makes sense that if the man behind the mask was truly obito then he and Kakashi would have similar Sharigan abilities.

The man behind the mask only reveals his left eye. Kakashi recieved Obito's right eye after Obito was crushed beneath a bolder. Supposedly Obito's entire left side of his body was crushed. The man has stated before he needs to make himself more complete and in recent mangas he was able to detach his left arm easily. This implies that perhaps his left arm was a fake and by making himself more complete he means restoring the parts of his body that was crushed. Also no part of the man's body is exposed. Underneath his robe he wears a full suit that covers his neck and head and his arms. Why is he fully covered? What is underneath that suit really?

My next statment I have no evidance for, but perhaps the suit is like a stand in for his body or at least the part that was crushed until he can somehow make himself complete.

Also in maga 509, when Konan and the man verse, she blows up part of his mask revealing more of his face. His eye shape and hair are similar to that of Obito not the original Madara. Also it reveals that the man behind the mask is young. If he were the real Madara he'd be old and wrinkled.

Obito may have been similar to Naruto but perhaps these two who were similar in the beggining and who want the same thing for the world, which is peace, represent the two opposite extremes for the same cause.

That is my theory and most of my reasoning behind it...

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Naruto and Sasuke are about 16 years old now in the series yet they practically look like grown adults just like Kakashi and Gai did. And Sasuke didn't kill his best friend to gain mangekyou, neither did Kakashi. Also Sasuke became extremely powerful in about 3 years time. and they aren't wrinkles but scares in my opinion. And if you compare his features with those of Madara you can easily tell that thier eyes and stuff aren't shaped the same. And perhaps it is his ideals and strength that make him like Madara.

If Kabuto resureccted Madara's body then there is no way Tobi could be Madara. That technique requires a living sacrifice to be the vessel for who ever soul is being summoned. The soul then inters the vessel and become the likeness of the sould body. If Kabuto resureccted Madara then Madara's sould would have to be present in the resurrected body. How could his soul be both in the resurrected body and Tobi? Either Tobi is Madara and Kabuto summoned some one else or Kabuto summoned Madara. Since I seriously doubt there is any one Madara would fear like that I'm thinking that it was the real Madara that Kabuto resurrected.

Answer 1

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First of all, during the attack Kakashi and Gai were shown, in which they seemed to be 14 or 15. Obito would be that age if he were alive and obviously the guy who attack konoha was much older.
Second of all, there were no facts that implied that obito knew so much about jinchuuriki, because the man who attacked konoha did. Third of all, the only way to get the mengenkyo sharingan is to kill your best friend in which his was kakashi or rin. Fourth of all, obito could not be as strong as the fourth hokage in a year or 2 unless he stole some technique. Fifth of all, if you look closely at tobi in chapter 509 he has wrinkles (same as in the chapter where he tells sasuke the truth about itachi), which no 30 year old man has (yes, he would be 30 by now). Sixth of all, how would obito know so much about the founding of konoha and his brother dying? Seveth of all, itachi said that he knew that the man behind the mask was madara, in which itachi is never mistakened. And eighth of all this man is too wise to be obito, as it makes since that a hundred year old man knew so much. Now it could be madara in obito's body like other's predicted, but I don't see how it is obito.




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Another thing, why do u keep saying Kabuto when he really did not know the true way to ressurect someone (back in part 1 and the begining of part 2, in which tobi appaeared in). Kabuto only knew the dead soul justu which animates or controls one's body. Techniquely, it is not bringing the dead back to life. Kabuto only knew the impure world ressurection technique when he gain some (or even most) of orochimaru's power which is later on in part 2.

Answer 2

i agree with u 100% it has to be Obito Uchiha behind the mask

Answer 3

You've made some good points, but the truth remains that Tobi's real identity is Madara. But it is very likely that Tobi stole Obito's right sharingan after or right before Obito was killed.
In Manga 502, after Minato says it can't be Madara because he's dead, Tobi says" Oh...I don't know about that". This doesn't isn't Madara, Tobi's just playing into the suspicion the Naruto series is known for. When Tobi refers to the "plan both for war and for peace" he's talking about the Eye of the Moon Plan. Madara's plan is to gather all the tailed beasts in order to fuse them back into their original form, the Ten-Tailed Beast. He will then become jinchuriki to the Ten-Tails giving him immense power and the ability to project his Mangekyo Sharingan on to the moon. He intends to use the moon, the prison of the Ten-Tails body, to cover the world in an "Infinite Tsukuyomi", thereby letting him control every living being, creating a world in which no war or crime occurred. This is something only Madara Uchiha would be capable of knowing and of doing.

In Manga 241 after Kakashi decides not to go after Rin, Obito says “I will destroy that so called idea of a shinobi". I guess you could say it hints at a more malevolent side Obito. But remember, it was the spur of the moment. He said it out of annoyance towards Kakashi's uncompassionate attitude. It's not surprising that Tobi knew of Minato's fighting style. The 3rd Great Shinobi war was just the year before and Minato's feats, including defeating an entire shinobi army on his own, earned him the title "Konoha's Yellow Flash". His fighting style was known throughout the shinobi land. As for when Tobi went for Naruto, what did you expect him to do? A man just threatened to kill his new born baby boy. Most people would react the same way, especially someone like Minato the Hokage. Regardless of whether Obito was Minato's teacher, Tobi knowing Minato's fighting style isn't surprising. Yes it is true, both Kakashi and Tobi can control time and space jutsu. That's where the question of whether Tobi stole Obito's sharingan comes into play. I think he may of stolen it, just like Danzo stole Shisui's, and many other Uchiha's, sharingan. This would explain why Tobi can use time and space jutsu.

You mixed up which sides were which making it very confusing. You’re calling right side left and left side right. Obito gave his left sharingan to Kakashi, not his right. Tobi only reveals his right sharingan not his left. Do you watch the mirrored Naruto episodes? Anyway, after Obito gave his left sharingan to Kakashi, whose left eye was injured earlier in a fight, Obito is left in the rocks with his right sharingan, which Tobi supposedly stole.

Again, it was Obito's entire right side that was crushed, not his left. I'm not sure Tobi ever removed any of his limbs. Where in the manga did he do that? And if Tobi has any injuries at all, they were sustained from his battle with the 1st Hokage.

When Konan injured Tobi allowing some of his mask be blown off, you saw a piece of Tobi's face:
http://www.mangareader.net/93-57323-14/n…

This is the same eye structure of Madara in an earlier manga chapter:
http://www.mangareader.net/93-402-1/naru…

Now this is very similar to Madara's eyes not Obito:
Madara: http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Madara
Obito: http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Obito

Madara's eyes were much more slanted than Obito's, while Obito's is more square, as you can clearly see in these pictures. And you can also see the clear wrinkles in face. You can't mistake obvious wrinkles for scars. What Kakashi has on his left eye is an obvious scar, what Madara has under his right eye are obvious wrinkles. If it was Obito, he wouldn't have these wrinkles.

Another thing is how fast Obito grew. He couldn't have grown to the size of Minato in just one year. That also gives him one year to unlock the Mangekyo Sharingan, become an elite ninja the types of which Minato had trouble with, and figure out how to control the Nine-tails.
And if Tobi is Obito, why would he of killed off his entire clan? For what? He had no reason to. And that would also mean that Obito gave Nagao the Rinnegan, as said by Tobi in Manga 509. Obito was probably younger than Nagato during the 2nd great war, if Obito was even born at all, which makes it impossible for him to of given Nagato the Rinnegan. Tobi could be lying, as he often does, but as for now it’s yet to be proven false.

I think the person Kabuto awoke was Izuna Uchiha, Madara's brother. That's probably why he reacted like that. It's just a possibility I have no proof for.



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Answer 4

Well who know's what i think is that Uchiha Madara is using Obito's body as if you remember when Kabuto used the dead summoning technique he showed Madara a body to which suprised him that body could possibly be Madara's old body

Answer 5

I agree with everything except:

''Also it reveals that the man behind the mask is young. If he were the real Madara he'd be old and wrinkled.''

Madara, if he were to be alive without any kind of jutsus, should be around well past 100 years, so his immortality jutsu doesn't let him age.

Aside from that, if he were truly Obito, he could have had more success in everything if he'd pretended to be a loyal leaf-nin and doing everything from inside Konoha instead of just letting everyone believe he was dead...