Healthcare bill savings come from killing off old people?

Question

Page 425 of Obama’s health care bill, the Federal Government will require EVERYONE who is on Social Security to undergo a counseling session every 5 years with the objective being that they will explain to them just how to end their own life earlier. Yes...They are going to push SUICIDE to cut medicare spending!!! And no, I am NOT SH—ing YOU! So those of you who voted for Obama have now put your own parents in dire straights...

We know we spend a huge amount of money that last year of life. More and more people are gonna say, I don't want people poking tubes, and, you know, uh, doing all sorts of...stuff. The most important thing we can do on end-of-life care right now: to encourage people to look at hospices as a...legitimate option."
-- President Barack Obama

Answer 1

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Most people that are old and sick want to die but their children and doctors keep wanting to hang on. The kids because they are selfish and thinking of themselves and the doctors because they are greedy. If it was my parent and they were suffering. I would want to fufill their wishes and i would hope that my children will do the same for me.Stop trying to make it sound so drastic. Do you know how many old people shoot their brains out because no one will listen to them when they say that they want to die in peace and that they are tired of doctors poking and pulling on them. What kind of a life will a person have lying in a bed pooping on themselves,looking at the ceiling and wondering why sally or bobby haven't been to see them in a week. Old people are also scared that they will run out of money before they die because of high medical cost. Old people have pride and do not want to live knowing that their bills will be left behind for their kids to pay or that everthing that they worked so hard for all their lives will be lost to medical bills instead of handed down to their kids. Sorry for the rant but I could go on and on. I support President Obama on this 200%

Answer 2

God, if you want to respond to this bill then do so by actually responding to the bill. Not by telling insane lies designed to get people inflamed.

There are cancers that simply do not respond to chemotherapy. People with these final-stage cancers need to accept that they are going to die. Attempting to use a treatment that doctors know WILL NOT WORK on these cancers is a waste of scarce resources. I guess you are saying that we should "treat" people even when we know the treatment won't work?

Answer 3

According to Obama, his is the "Daschle model" which expressly forbids ANY care, including medicines, for anyone not a taxpaying worker.

The old and permanently disabled are indeed to be left to die under Obama's plan. - At least, that's what Obama SAID.

Answer 4

Complete BS. Fear mongering is childish, Chicken Little.

The ACTUAL bill: http://waysandmeans.house.gov/media/pdf/…

Answer 5

Republican Senate Leader Mitch McConnell was interviewed on "Fox News Sunday" and declared, "America has the finest health care system in the world."

Only a politician who takes his talking points from big PhRMA or the insurance industry could make such a statement in these times. Whereas during the last big health care debate many tried to make this argument, most elected Republicans would be unwilling to go out on this limb today.

Let's just examine some very simple facts:

•WE PAY MORE: According to a recent CNN report, the U.S. spends vastly more per capita for health care than many other countries. For example, we spend about six times per capita what Singapore spends. We spend about three times what Israel spends ($6,000 per capita vs. $2,000 per capita) and about twice as much as France and Germany.

•WE DIE YOUNGER: Yet, according to the same CNN source, despite spending so much our life expectancy rates are poor compared to these other nations. The citizens of the following countries (this is not a complete list since 49 nations have better life expectancy than the U.S.) have longer life expectancies than Americans:


* Japan

* Singapore

* Australia

* Canada

* France

* Switzerland

* Israel

* Italy

* Spain

* Austria

* German

* United Kingdom


•OUR INFANTS DIE AT HIGHER RATES: According to a University of Maine paper published earlier this decade, American infants die at much higher rates than infants in 12 European countries and Japan. The U.S. ranked 26th overall among industrialized countries on this measure.

•ON QUALITY, ACCESS, AND EFFICIENCY THE UNITED STATES RANKS NEAR THE BOTTOM: A study released in 2007 by the Commonwealth Fund ranked the United States against five other countries - Australia, Canada, Germany and New Zealand. On all but one measure the United States ranked 5th or 6th among the six nations.

McConnell's statement regarding our health care system is another indication that GOP leadership is not just out of touch with public opinion - it's out of touch with reality.

Answer 6

I have worked with a lot of elderly that should have died years ago. When an old person in a nursing home only sleeps, poops and barely eats and has NO idea of anything around them then they should not be kept alive. I have wondered for years why people insist on doing this. I can see giving pain meds but anything other than that should be stopped.

Answer 7

Yes, that's very true. It was in today's paper, editorial section. Mr. O wants the common American dead. Many of our leaders do. I'm afraid that we will have O care & once there there is no going back (Zeitgeist).
Does it make since to spend 1.5 trillion to cover 46 million? Actually only ten percent of that are un insured. There is medicaid, medicare or medi-cal for the others. It's a method to get more tax & less medical for you. 8% payroll tax will be only the beginning.

Answer 8

You put your question as one of my answers, but the truth is, that you really have no idea what you're talking about...

Answer 9

Yes Hitler tried the same thing.Kill all of the weak and defenseless.
meanwhile having a civilian force as great as it's national army's

Answer 10

They aren't pushing suicide. What they are talking about is not having every piece of equipment wired up to them while they are dying.

Which would you rather have,
doctors fighting to extend a person's life for another two minutes,
or
Dying two minutes earlier without having ugly wires pulling on every patch of your skin that will make no difference anyway.

If the decision is left to the children, they often don't know what their parent's preferences are and sometimes request the most extreme amount of medical devices hooked up for no reason.

Most people, including myself would prefer a more dignified and peaceful death without all of the machines.

Answer 11

I think a man knows when his life should cease, I am old, but in very good health, before I reach a time that I will be a burden to any one due to the fact that I cannot stand the pain,crapping on my self, grab you some hearing protection. Had this friend, he was in the final stages of cancer, lady doctor came into room and ask him "are you ready" he said yes. My answer would have been Hell no, I ain't going. I think the main reason for Obama wanting to kill the old would be, just look at all the money we saved America. All in favor of this, just remember time will fly by and you will be faced with death.

Answer 12

Yes, we will have to kill off old people who are very sick, disabled people who go for operation after operation just to stay on disability.
The offspring of the baby boomers cannot support all of the old people and the sick baby boomers.

The tax system is build on a multi-level marketing scheme where what you pay in support the currently old and disabled (and the doctors and hospitals who get the money for over caring for them).

So there are more baby boomers and old people than we can afford especially since we are so inefficient with healthcare. We pay doctors more for more operations, tests, etc.

We do not pay them to make us well but to keep us sick and coming back. We are incentivising inefficiency. If a surgeon does one operation, you are not likely to come back for another. If he screws up then he gets paid again to fix whatever happened when he screwed up.

Since we help people live longer through such inefficiency, when the baby boomers get old enough to need a lot of medical care, the system will explode.

We need to only pay for making people healthy and we don't need doctors making lots of money in the last weeks of someone's life

Source(s):

Doctor friends told me the truth.