Muslims, Without Muhammad there is no Islam?
If you remove Christ from Christianity you have Judaism Christians waiting for the Messiah...Still with the Torah as the word of God..and all of the words of the prophets.
We would still have the prophesies of the coming of Christ from Moses, David, Abraham, Isaiah,
Interesting how without Muhammad and the book he brought there could be no Islam...Does all truth in Islam come through just one imperfect man?
Is there no evidence of the Allah in your Qu'ran existing before Muhammad?
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I'm there also Kev thanks.
2 years ago
Wind, I'm fairly informed ..so your telling me My God is Your God right and you would then accept the atonement of Jesus Christ Or you would reject Christ and wait for a differnt Messiah?
2 years ago
Edge, Christian answerers are always welcome I am Christian I direct this to Muslims to get their attention. I completely agree with you it is obvious to Christians they are different gods.
2 years ago
cuh without Muhammad...there is no reference o the Allah you say is the same god this is my point. If they were the same then surely you would be a Christian or a Jew without Muhammad's book...thie very interesting thing here is this is not the same God and you would have to worship a different God..There is no evidence of Allah before Muhammad.
2 years ago
Sunshine then you must surely agree with me all truth of Islam is through one man...there is no evidence of Islam but through Muhammad?
2 years ago
Sah, So you are saying wihtout Muhammad and the Qu'ran you would simply folow the words of the previous prophets...like say Moses who gives you Abraham and Isaac and the prophsies of the coming lamb of God that atones for sin,,,Isaiah who says the Messiah wold be as a lamb and atone for the sins of his people...or would you be Jew and reject Christ as Messiah and wait for another? You surely could not be Muslim..There is no prophets words that agrees with Muhammad.
There is no evidence of Allah before Muhammad.
2 years ago
ok rzar..the Bible is the word of Allah..so you would then be a Chrisitan accepting the atonement of Chrsit or a Jew waiting for another Messiah...There is nothing to do with an Allah in this book...it would definitely be another god would it not?
2 years ago
Mr. Pop Muslims keep refering ot qa non existant gospel...where are you going to learn about it wihtout Muhamamd? we have the scriptures we have...If you take Muhammad away you cant amgicly add another book..My point here is wihtout Muhammad and his book you have no ALLAH which is unusual because Muhamamd did not invent Allah did he? Why isnt there evidence of Allah before Muhamad not simply an idea of some Islam that there is no record of????
2 years ago
No Cyber, apparently you havent read the Gospel...No christians are waiting for Muhhammad Chrisitans are not waiting for the Holy Spirit we received it already.If you say you would follow the Gospel you would have to say you were going to accept the atonement.
2 years ago
Winds no offense but if you do not believe in the God of Abraham ...It leads me to believe your not gonna really grasp my question....have you read the Bible and the Qu'ran or are you simply forming an opinion on the things you have heard?
2 years ago
Thanks ordinary I understand Islam teaches this is the same God...Yet it does beg the question without the Qu'ran and Muhammad could there be Muslisms? hard to see how the God of the Bible is the same God...You pretty much have to accept the atonement if you follow the gospel.. or reject Christ as Messiah if you choose to disregard the Gospel..but none of this is inline with the teachings of Islam..Muhammad's God claims Christ and the gospel...
so that leave then accepting the atonement...which is totally contray to the Allah of Islam...so is there scriptural evidence that Allah existed before Muhammad??? I cant seem to find any
I will allow you to draw your own conclussions.
2 years ago
so not bruce....How without Muhammad...do you know how incorect everything is? I gave you an example of Christians without Christ...simply Judaism waiting on the Messiah we continue wiht the available scriptures the Torah and the prophets following the teachings the same waiting for the Messiah to Come which we as Christians recognize as Jesus Christ...Now I ask you to do the same...Without Muhammad there is no Quran...You are left with the Bible..Which lead s you to follow an entirly diffrent religion..differnt God.
Can you say everything remains the same..just waiting for Muhammad? Nope you following Christ teachings in the Bible...you are accepting the atonement ...see waht I am saying...different God...definitely not Allah huh?
2 years ago
Again I think my point is clear the true God of Abaham did not leave his truth to one man. The Gospel is a continuation of scripture not a new different word of God. God is still in agreement with God...Try this with the Quran...different God differnt truth differrnt word of God...
I'm telling you without Muhammad Allah seems to disapear,,, definitely in scripture.
2 years ago
Shreen, I am sure you are raised Muslim and it is dear to your heart.
God gave his name many times in scripture and it is not Allah.
I encourage you to seek God and seek his truth with all of your heart. My question is to lead others not to accept simply what a man teaches but to ask God to reveal his truth to you. May God Bless You In Your search for truth.
2 years ago
We know that Allah says he is the God of Abraham. We know that Allah says The Torah and Gospel are his word.
We know in 6:115 Allah says his word can not be changed,
We know that Allah tells Muhammad if he has doubts to speak with those who read the previous scriptures 10:94
We know that Allah tells you to say to the people of the book we agree with the revelation handed won to you...Your God is My God,
Now if this book does not exist how do the people of the book exist and how are you going to agree with their revelation?
If this Allah is not my God why does he say he is?
If this Allah does not exist in any word of God before Muhammad why not?
How is it the only truth is all of Islam is form one man?
Was there no Allah before Muhammad?
2 years ago
trustee, these do not refer to Muhammad and rather than take each one apart I will give you God's instructions for testing a spirit and testing a prophet...Now If Muhamma dfails these it seems clear these can not refer to Muhammad.
2 years ago
You must surely agree If Muhamamd does not qualify as a prophet of God theres really not much sense in God anouncing his coming right?
2 years ago
Deut.13: 1 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,
2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;
3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
A prophet of God must be in agreement with the words of the prophets and the known word of God.
i woont pst all of the tings that proves Muhammad is not a prophet of god I did that on my oter question and its simply too long...but I'm sure we can agree Muhammad is not in agreement with the word of God and the prophets of God and to make it obvious I will give you the scriptures that refer to beliving in Jesus as the Son of God.
1John 2: 22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist,
2 years ago
We will cut it short right here we know Muhammd denied Jesus was the Son of God...bang games over Muhammad can not be a prophet of God according to the word of God that was available to him. This should eliminate the cut and paste of all those prophsies that you believe refer to Muhammad.
2 years ago
Now that we have established without a doubt Muhammad was not in the Bible and the words of the Bible are not Allah.
I again say Allh does not pre-exist Muhammad in ANY scripture, If Allah existed before Muhammad there is no scriptural evidence to support it.
So again I ask the original question
Without Muhammad does Islam exist?
Does all truth in Islam originate with one imperfect man?
2 years ago
Sunshine I wasn't asking for opinions..nor Muhammad's take on this because if you tell me what Muhammad tells you then you prove my point there is no Allah without Muhammad.
Is there any scriptura evidence that syas Islam existed before Muhammad or any prophet before Muhamamd ever was Muslim...If your ead the true words of the prophets thay disagree wtht Muhammad and the Quran. again it doesnt count to say in the Quran because the Quran is passed through Muhammad...How do you know that Islam was practiced before Muhammad? Is there scriptural evidence of this? If I said Muhmmad invented Allah could you prove ot me that he didnt with scriptural evidence that existed before Muhammad?
Or is it as I believe all the truth of Islam and the religion is only passed through this one man? If there was no Muhammad could you do as Christians now do and follow the words of the prophets of God in scripture? Could you belive the words of Jesus in scripture?
2 years ago
If not I think it fair to say there is no evidence that Allah existed before Muhammad.
2 years ago
Sterchen, Exactly we see Christians without Chist would still be following the same God the same scriptures agreeing wiht the same prophets and not calling their words corrupt this demonstrates that the gospel is a continuation of previous scripture and our God is the same God of Abraham.
The Qu'ran makes the same claim it is a continuation of the Gospel...yet Muslims wouldnot be able to agree wiht the Gospel and remain Muslim...Allah say he is this God of the Gospel...If this is true Muslims could follow the God of the Gospel and the word of the Gospel...It is my conclusion this can nto be the same God If Muslism cna not worship this God through these scriptures...It is evident there is no scriptures to demonstrate Allah is the God of Abraham before Muhamamd, there are no scriptures that even proves Allah existed before Muhammad.
2 years ago
So Muhammad must be one of the bunch...
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