Muslims, did Allah understand the doctrine of the trinity?

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The Qu'ran refers to the trinity as being polytheism. It also refers to Mary as being a part of the trinity te doctrine of the trintiy was first told by Moses int he first scriptures God gave ot man in the very creation of man who is ONE being but he was made in the image of God with both flesh and spirit. Man was not made int he image of God being a multiple being with more than one mind but a body and a spirit and being a living soul and this is ONE man. God is Father, Son and Holy spirit and is ONE God. Wy didn't Allah understand the doctrine of the trinity?

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Rh Muhammad understood the doctrine of trinity menaing it does contain Mary and they are three distinct Gods?

Hi Muhammad it's a long answer so I will respond to it momentarily

JuJu they simply call the true word of God corrupt.

Christiana I agree, Muhammad is worshipped and they deny this but it seems apparent Allah could not speak a true word but through Muhammad and he is dead therefore no new message form Allah, Allah is completely dependant on Muhammad...and they calim they do not worship a man.

Muslim Rose I speak as one who has read in the Qu'ran the meaning of trinity.
Do you deny that the Quran calls the worship of the trinity the worship of more than one God? Am I wrong when I say that it refered to the trinity as Jesus, Mary and God? You claim the doctrine of the trintiy was invented after Christianity and I say we worship the same God that Moses spoke to who said let US create man In OUR image. Then he formed man from the dust(flesh) and breathed in life(spirit) and man became a living soul. This is the exact image of God who is Father Son and Holy Spirit but are ONE God. this si not worisping more than ONE God it is the same God that Moses talked to and the same God that Abraham spoke to when he said the lord would provide himself a lamb. god is One alsways was One and always will be ONE and we are mde int his image more than mere flesh above the animals but also with an eternal spirit. None the less we are one man and he is one God...

Fida, you need to seriously reread the Bible as Christ never denied being the Son Of God, as a matter of fact he tells everyone who can understand he IS the Son of God and even the demons knew him..Please reread the true word of God.

John 9:35 Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God?

36 He answered and said, Who is he, Lord, that I might believe on him?

37 And Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen him, and it is he that talketh with thee.

38 And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him.

Muhammad, God is ONE no true Christian denies this and the words are all of the prophets but the man you think a prophet called Muhammad. Moses brought the first scriptures and Moses did show that God is One but that God is the US who refered to creating man is their image. If we read the true word of God that he first spoke ot Moses we see man is more than mere flesh and this is the image of God. Why did Moses demonstrate this if Moses did not believe it to be true? We are definitely more tham mere flesh and above the animals are we not? does the fact that man has an eternal spirit make him more than one man? this was told by Moses...All prophets of God are in agreement. Why would a man call himself a prophet of God and not understand this? all prophets of God agreed with God and the other prophets.
My question remains why did Allah not understand the doctrine of the trinty? Even if Allah did not agree he is suposed to be all knowing but your Allah doesnt understand the doctrine.

Muhammad you seem to be making the same mistake as Muhammad the one who calls himself a prophet of God.
Christians believe God is ONE. Chrsit also believed God is ONE.. this is the problem wiht Muhammad and Allah they think the trinity means more than one God and it does not. We agree that God is ONE... The doctrine of the trinity does not mean God is more than ONE..Why wouldnt an all knowing Allah know this?

Muhamamd, Joseph Smith like Muhammad disagree with the word of God, this does eliminate any man including Muhamamd from being a prophet of God. Moses taught this that a Propeht would agree with the prophets of God and with the word of God... If amna claims to be a prophet of God and disagrees with the word of God this man is a false prophet. This fits both Muhammad and Joseph Smith.

Muhammad I would invite you to read the true word of God as spoken to Moses... Let US create man in OOUR image...continue on to read the creation of man in this image and do explain to me how Moses decided that the image of God was that man was more than flesh but also a spirit...God si more than one part but is ONE amn Is one but is not merelyl flesh but also has an eternal spirit...Explain how Moses meant this to refer to the Image of God?
Mose knew God and so did Abraham and Christ...Muhammad does nto agree with these prophets and does not understand the doctrine of the trinity.

Knowing You keep aying Allah is God and i know Allah claims to be the God thatw as before Muhamamd but this difference among others make it clear they are different gods. The God of Abraham did not deny the Lamb of God who was foretold from the the first book of Moses.

Adamjer you prove my point. Of course Moses and Jesus agree that God is one. Christians too believe God is one.
Moses taught God is one and we are made in his image. again I reapeat man is flesh and spirit and are a living soul..thisd does not make man more than one...God also is Father, Son and Holy spirit and they are One God. Moses taught this and so did Jesus and is what Chrsitians believe...My question remains why did Muhamamd and his allah not understand what the true God before Muhamamd taught?

Gnostic If Allah and the God before Muhamamd are the same God would God not have to be Schizo?

Sternchen I feel reasonably sure Muhammad did not understand the doctrine of trinity. It is clear that the Qu'ran taught trinity as refering to Mary therfore I would say Allah himself surely did not understand trinity. When the Qu'ran says Jesus is not the Son of God it surely teaches against the doctrine of the trinity. What suprises me most is the God of Abraham would have had to have understood the doctrine having told Moses of how man was created in this image... Abrham saying God would provide himself a lamb...We who know the true God and that he is righteous can easily recognize the lamb would have had to be perfect and no man is perfect but Christ who is the Son of God and a part of the whole of God

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Not to sound vindictive...but I wonder what Muhammad thinks about Matt.28v18-20....clearly Jesus recognized the trinity...

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Moses seemed to understand the doctrine fine when he showed God said let US create man in OUR image then God demonstrated the trinity in our creation...seems the prophets of God never disagreed with the trinity and all seemed to show this principle..Abraham, Isaiah, Jesus..

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Allah had to deal with cutbacks, downsizing - had to get rid of the middle managers.

Kept all the cute angels I bet though!

Answer 3

Allah had nothing to do with it. Muhammad understood it perfectly well, which is why the Qur'an says what it says. The Qur'an has errors, but that is not one of them.

Answer 4

One of the main doctrines in Christianity is the trinity. This idea comes from I John 5:7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." This verse indicates that God, Jesus, and the Holy Ghost are one. These words are John’s words and not Jesus’ words nor God’s, but according to the Christians John was inspired by God, and that is the reason for taking his words as the truth. Let us investigate the Bible to see if God is One and only One, or that He is, or they are three in one.
Are Jesus and God the same?

Let us see what Jesus himself says

One of the scribes asked Jesus, Mark 12:28 "…Which is the first commandment of all?" Clearly from the question the man wanted to know the first of all commandments, and the most important one. Jesus replied to him in the following verse:

Mark 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

Mark 12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.

Jesus was not talking to this man only, but he made sure to call the attention of all Israel "Hear, O Israel." This indicates the importance of this message.
Jesus says, "the Lord our God." This clearly indicates that God is not only the God of the people Jesus is talking to, but He is also Jesus’ God ("our").
Jesus continues to say, "is one Lord." This clearly indicates the Oneness of God.
Finally, in Mark 12:30 Jesus reiterates that this is the first commandment "this is the first commandment ." A commandment before all others.
Jesus in these verses showed how important this message was by calling the attention of the Israelites, and when he talked about the Oneness of God he excluded himself from that "Oneness" when he said, "our God." He stated that this One God is his God as well as every one else’s. Had he been one of the three mentioned in John (according to John) then he would not have said "the Lord our God," but he would have said "the Lord your God."
Then it continues in Mark after Jesus told the second commandment:

Mark 12:32 And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:

Mark 12:33 And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.

Mark 12:34 And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him, Thou art not far from the kingdom of God. And no man after that durst ask him any question.

When the scribe reiterated the message Jesus delivered, and said, "there is none other but he" (Mark 12:32), Jesus told him that he was not far from the kingdom of God. Certainly the scribe understood that there is only one God, and had his understanding been wrong, Jesus would have told him, or Jesus would have clarified to all who were listening that it is really three in one. This was supposed to be an important commandment. It was the commandment that came before all others.

According to my understanding the verse in I John 5:7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one," is the only record of the idea that God is three in one rather than One and only One. The rest of the Bible is filled with verses indicating the absolute Oneness of God, and they carry no record of the idea of John in such way.

The Absolute Oneness of God from the rest of the Bible

In many instances in the Bible, God and His prophets mention that God is only One, and not three in one. The following are some of the many verses from the Bible:

Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD." God is one and not three in one.
Isaiah 43:10-11 "Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour." God wants us to "know," "believe," and "understand" that He is the LORD, and "beside" Him there is no other. Had there been any other "beside" Him then He would have said it.
Ephesians 4:6 "One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
I Timothy 2:5 "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.
James 2:19 "Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble." What makes the devil tremble is the belief that God is one, and not three.
Deuteronomy 4:35 "Unto thee it was showed, that thou mightest know that the LORD he is God; there is none else beside him."
I Samuel 2:2 "There is none holy as the LORD: for there is none beside thee: neither is there any rock like our God."
Isaiah 44:6 "Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God."
Isaiah 44:8 "Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any."
Isaiah 45:5 "I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me."
Isaiah 45:6 "That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else."
Hosea 13:4 "Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me."
Some of these verses testify that God is "one," others attest that there is nothing "beside" Him, one of them declares that nothing is "like" Him, and so on. None of the above verses include anything that describes that God is three in one. Jesus did not say that he was one of three, nor did God in His own words.
I am told that although God and Jesus never mentioned the idea of the trinity, yet John who was inspired by God clarified this idea for all of us, the idea that God, Jesus, and the Holy Ghost are one.

My argument is: God never said that He is three in one, never were any prophets of God ever instructed to say that God is three in one, not even Jesus was instructed to say that, yet John who was not a prophet of God (he was an apostle of Jesus, or a disciple) said that God is really three in one, and the whole world of Christians believe him! I am wondering, who has more authority? What is more powerful? That which was quoted from Jesus’ mouth and God’s words, or the interpretation of John?

Before I end this section, "The Absolute Oneness of God from the rest of the Bible," I would like to raise some points about the idea of inspiration:

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If the idea that the Bible is the book of God because it was inspired is to be believed, then we should disregard the book of Luke if we are willing to take Luke for his own words, when we read Luke 1:1-3 "Forasmuch as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a declaration of those things which are most surely believed among us, Even as they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning were eyewitnesses, and ministers of the word; It seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write unto thee in order, most excellent Theophilus." Luke tells us that he saw it good to write his book. It was his own choice, and not an inspiration.
If we should believe that the Bible is the book of God because it was inspired, then we should also believe in the book "The Book of Mormon, Another Testament of Jesus Christ." The Author of this book, Joseph Smith, claims he too was inspired by God. Why should we stop at the Bible alone?
There are hundreds of different denominations in Christianity, and many in almost all denominations claim to be inspired by God, yet they are all different in their beliefs and convictions. Who are we to believe? Who is right and who is wrong? Especially when some of these denominations differ with others on the most crucial points in Christianity. Also, why does God deliver different message to each denomination, is God the author of confusion? I Corinthians 14:33 "For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints."
What about worshipping God through Jesus?
The worship of God should be aimed directly to God. God does not need a medium for prayers to come to Him. This is clear from the Bible. When God says in such a bold manner:

Exodus 20:1-5:

"And God spake all these words, saying,

I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:

Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me."

We should not make any images or likeness of any thing that is in the heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth as something to worship. God is the only One that we should bow down to. God, the God of everything, is a Jealous God, and he does not like us to worship anything but Him, not even Jesus. God shows how jealous He is when people worship images in Exodus 34:14 "For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God."

Romans 1:21-32:

"Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.

And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them."

http://al-islam.org/short/closerlook/

Answer 5

I see Mohammed, the cut and paste king, has struck again. ^^

Islam is polytheistic and full of idol worship itself. You have the ka'ba, the black stone within it that Muslims revere. Then, Mohammed is worshiped almost as feverently as Allah, and one faces greater reprocussion from speaking ill of Mohammed than of Allah. Maybe not quite a trinity, but there are some hyporcritical things going on in Islam any sane person can see that.

Answer 6

and ur source is??????

this false trinity wasn't even in christianity . it was invented by constantine after the death of jesus by 240 years , christianity was also like all other divine religions was calling for monothism , but the followers of christianity just distorted it.

plz don't say false things about my religion that u obviously don't know about it.

Answer 7

well i think YOU are the one who doesnt understand it okay
god is god he is the one
mary was a women who gave birth to jesus
jesus was a prophet he was the son of mary not the son of god and i can prove it using the bible
read luke 4:41 And devils also came out of many crying out and saying thou art christ the son of god and he rebuking them suffered them not to speak for they knew he was christ
it is clear here that he refused to be called the son of god
he refused again in luke 9:20 and 21 and charged them too
he(jesus) said unto them but whom say ye that i am ? peter answering said the christ of god and he straightly charged them and commanded them to tell no man that thing
so answer me why have u all living this lie and telling everyone he is the son of god when he denied it

Answer 8

not in the Koran

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in the Bible

Answer 9

Allah is God and God is Allah, there are many names but one reality, think careful because are rejecting your own belief here as well.

Answer 10

Allah does understand the false claim of trinity and everything else in this universe. Allah has promised a hell fire for those who write their thinking as religion and again claim that is from God since they indeed know it is not from God.

So your question would have been Does Islam (not Allah) accept trinity. and we say to you NO. There is only one almighty God. I swear that neither Moses not Jesus peace and blessing of Allah be upon them have never said or talk about trinity. Both they told their people that there is only one God and they are messengers of God.

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I did not prove your point as long as you differentiate the God of Jesus and Mohamed peace be upon them. They have one God that reject what you call a trinity. You know as well that trinity had been invented by John more than 200 years after Jesus. It is far from truth and sinful to say that Jesus and Moses peace be upon them believed in trinity.

Answer 11

Muhammed spoke out against this heretical understanding and was right to do so. But he has not answered to true Christianity. So we cannot accept him as speaking with a message from God. He didn't understand what the Bible says "is true". As you say Trinity is not polytheism. Mary was never considered a deity in Christianity. The Qur'an speaks out against "Tri-theism" [three gods - 5:116,72,73],

One can wonder about the Qur'anic "priorities" about the issues it decides to deal with. Not what one would expect in a final revelation with a claim to universal relevance

Muslims have developed many reasons to reject the Trinity. Most of these reasons try to disprove the Trinity from the Bible. It is obvious that all this reasoning is the reasoning of Muslims and not the reasoning of the Qur'an.
The Qur'an only gives a number of statements negating certain false teachings but does not even offer any reasoning on the matter of the tri-theistic misunderstanding, and certainly nothing in regard to the doctrine of the Trinity. Denial is not the same as explanation and clarification.
lg*Sternchen*