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I've heard Christmas has pagan backgrounds....any insight?

I've been trying to look up info on the holidays' origins/practices....but I'm getting conflicting reports....Thanks for any help!
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http://www.allthingschristmas.com/tradit…

As this site explains, very little of the traditions associated with Cristmas have to do with the Bible or Jesus. In point of fact the only day Jesus ordered his followers to observe is the memorial of his death.
Details of the conditions surrounding the day of his birth tell us he could only have been born in what for us would be the fall since December is the rainy season in that part of the world and shepherds would not be out away from shelter for their flocks.

But read the information at the site I referenced and find out for yourself.

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I liked the insight on the timing facts ~ and the links were very helpful.

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Christmas is nifty even if pagans invented it. :)

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**** off thats my religion u r saying isnt good enough!!

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The real Santa Claus was a pagan shaman. He used psychedelic mushrooms, which is why he sees elves and flies around on a chariot pulled by flying reindeer. Read about the Secret Origins of Santa Claus:
http://www.beforesanta.blogspot.com/

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Santa Claus was a SAINT. The tree is German. In these Godless times I pray for mercy to those who stray from the path on this holy day.

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Where in the Bible did Jesus tell us to decorate christmas trees, wear santa claus costumes, and open presents?

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I am pagan, and to the Mr. William Jefferson Bush, Pagans are not GODLESS, they are quite the opposite, maybe you need to do some research and stop being so ignorant!

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It's totally Pagan. And what's more - the catholic pope incorporated it into religion, along with many other pagan elements.

I believe the Christmas Tree celebrates the life of Osiris, partner of Isis.

But I doubt that many pagans converted to X-tianity.

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People can also check out a great article in the San Francisco Chronicle this Saturday entitled: Rooted in pagan celebrations, German Christmas has many rituals
by Christine Schoefer
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/12/22/HOA9TS8A0.DTL

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Just like with easter, all our traditions are symbols for something. And whoever got the best answer is a dumbass because jesus was born in early spring not fall!

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watch the movie zeitgeist it explains it all. here is the link (if it doesn't work the whole movie is on googlevideo

http://video.google.com/videop…

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I see, we should also learn from movies :) insanity

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Christians chose celebrate Christ's birth on this pagan holiday because it had the message as the birth of Christ. It's a holiday for forgiveness and hope. Even after being banned by Puritans, it has resurfaced as our most celebrated holiday.

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Pagan festivals became reinvented so the idolatry would be concealed or cloaked beneath new meanings- they essentially put lipstick on a pig and kissed it, believing it had changed into a beautiful woman. www.fossilizedcustoms.com/chri…

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"A star cult, sun-worship, became (in the third century A.D.) the dominant official creed, paving the road for the ultimate triumph of Judaeo-Christian monotheism.

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Hebrew David is transmogrified Orpheus. Even the jews borrowed from the pagans. Ever heard of Hellenized Jews? Or Plato, Philo, Aristotle, etc? The Pagan thinkers who laid the foundation of Western Civ.

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Christmas was not among the earliest festivals of the Church...the first evidence of the feast is from Egypt." "Pagan customs centering around the January calendars gravitated to Christmas.

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In the Scriptures, no one is recorded to have kept a feast or held a great banquet on his [Jesus] birthday. It is only sinners who make great rejoicings over the day in which they were born into this world" -Catholic Encyclopedia, 1911 Edition, published by the Roman Catholic Church

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And Christianity was a power movement that justified totalitarian rule and blind following. One ruler one god one law. Don't think. Gave us 1000 years of called the Dark Ages. Gee thanks.

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And to settle "some" minds out there that place no stock in any boast of Catholicism, the Roman Church is not the only one that understands this simple historic fact...

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You can't keep the truth down. Philosophy Science, Truth, brought to you by the heathen pagans. Think about that next time you start your car, visit your doctor, or fly in a plane.

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Oh yeah, and christmas too!

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The author of "The Two Babylons" identifies also the child, whose birth was so universally celebrated, with Nimrod, who built the tower of Babel, and says that he was worshiped by the name Osiris in Egypt, and Tammuz (the same one as Adonis the famous hunter) in Phoenicia and Assyria. (See page 56.)

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This Tammuz is also mentioned by the holy prophet, Ezekiel, who in a vision saw the women of Judah weeping for him. He is there spoken of in company with sun-worship.

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It was an essential principle of the Babylonian system that the sun, or Baal, was the one only god. (Notice, "BAAL?" As in Daniels day too?) When, therefore, Tammuz was worshiped as God incarnate, that implied also that he was an incarnation of the sun.

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You can make all these associations because pagans encouraged sharing beliefs and myths that included other ideas and thought systems. Therefore many stories are supplanted through the region.

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This festival has been commonly believed to have had only an astronomical character, referring simply to the completion of the sun’s yearly course, and the commencement of a new cycle.

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But there is indubitable evidence that the festival in question had a much higher influence than this--that it commemorated not merely the figurative birthday of the sun in the renewal of its course, but the birth-day of the grand Deliverer...the Sun-God and great mediatorial divinity.

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An the Christ myth was one of this supplanted stories. Jewish prophetism was often a pretext for political rebellion, so it absorbed the Babylonian story of the sun/son as a messiah story. Similar also to Osiris, Mithras, etc.

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In Egypt, the son of Isis, the Egyptian title for the queen of heaven, was born at this very time, ‘about the time of the winter solstice.’ The very name by which Christmas is popularly known among ourselves - Yule day - proves at once its Pagan and Babylonian origin.

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So that the celebration of this son of god coincided with this day makes sense. Easy for the pagan minds of the ancient world to understand and incorporate.

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But the meaning of Saturnalia, Sun God day, whatever has remained the same despite which religion translates it. It's about rebirth, new hope, forgiveness and community. A study of the traditions bears this out.

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This makes the meaning of Christmas more important than the religious context. It expresses our need for memorializing our part in the community, our fellow man, and our hopes for the future.

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